HI norm Yes i said 20,000 and yes there is a legally way but it will take alot of time and money alot of money. yes norm i have women weldors working for me . I have 4 women working for me right now i had 6 but one is out with her frist baby and i have already bought him a helment for his brihtday and girl # 2 has gone back to school to get her cwb up date. Your friend ocweld