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  • Wicked one
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    plants

    Originally posted by Sundown View Post
    Acually the Miller migs are made in Appelton WI, and the Hobart migs are made in Troy, OH ... the smaller Miller migs used to be made in Troy but that hasn't been the case for some time now ... You want proof don't believe me, call Hobart or Miller and ask them. The last I heard the Troy Hobart plant was still making the small stick welders for Miller. You want further proof go to www.hobartwelders.com and log on to Weld Talk, search for posts by Hobart Expert Darrell (he's the guy that designed the HH187 and many others) and see what he has to say about it.
    I worked with a guy who had a hobart portable I think it was called a pipe master or something like that that said madeby miller for hobart it was exactly the same as a pipe pro with a hobart hood. Maybe we get different stuff in Canada I don't know. It could be like redi arcs are made by lincoln for redi arc. Jef

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  • Sundown
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    Originally posted by WICKED ONE View Post
    They come out of the same factory. Show me some proof that I'm wrong. Jef
    Acually the Miller migs are made in Appelton WI, and the Hobart migs are made in Troy, OH ... the smaller Miller migs used to be made in Troy but that hasn't been the case for some time now ... You want proof don't believe me, call Hobart or Miller and ask them. The last I heard the Troy Hobart plant was still making the small stick welders for Miller. You want further proof go to www.hobartwelders.com and log on to Weld Talk, search for posts by Hobart Expert Darrell (he's the guy that designed the HH187 and many others) and see what he has to say about it.

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  • Wicked one
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    proof

    Originally posted by Sundown View Post
    WICKED ONE, <snip>"Miller has a cheaper line as well it's called hobart"<snip>

    paulrbrown, <snip>"bought a Hobart 135 Handler, made by Miller"<snip>

    Neither statement is true guys, just for the record Miller and Hobart are seperately owned companies that are held by ITW. Miller markets to the indrustrial market and Hobart markets to the retail market. While they use some of the same parts on the smaller machines one is not made or owned by the other no matter what some salesman might have said.
    They come out of the same factory. Show me some proof that I'm wrong. Jef

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  • youngwelder_154
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    There are always a couple good welders out there when you buy them from Lowes or Home depot it all comes down to how well to take care of them too also some people get lucky some don't. Someone I know has the same car as my parents have and they have had to fix there car on more then one occasion, yet we haven't had any of the same issues they have. My parents once said never get anything that is built on a monday for Friday they seem to be the ones that always have trouble. I don't know how true that is but I guess it is a way of thinking.

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  • HMW
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    I am very partial to Miller and we mostly have l Miller, But.... We have several [5] small lincolns [135's and 175] that were bought at Lowes and all have performed great with no issues. We use them in our road trucks and power them with our Miller Bobcats and Big blue air pacs. I do agree with Miller supporting the ditributor though. As Lowes will do nothing for you if you have a problem. Luckily we haven't had a problem with them.

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  • Sundown
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    WICKED ONE, <snip>"Miller has a cheaper line as well it's called hobart"<snip>

    paulrbrown, <snip>"bought a Hobart 135 Handler, made by Miller"<snip>

    Neither statement is true guys, just for the record Miller and Hobart are seperately owned companies that are held by ITW. Miller markets to the indrustrial market and Hobart markets to the retail market. While they use some of the same parts on the smaller machines one is not made or owned by the other no matter what some salesman might have said.
    Last edited by Sundown; 03-16-2007, 08:41 AM.

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  • Bert
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    Service from Lincoln vs Miller

    Triggerman, right you are! I talked to a few people that bought the cheap units from Home Depot, 100% p'd off! However, this weekend is Millers Tent Sale (Airgas/Gaspro) and Lincoln (Air Liquide) is at the end of the month. Past few years, Air Liquide has brought EXCELLENT teachers from the mainland to hold welding classes at their tent sale, usually about 1 1/2 hours. I asked someone (won't say who), the old question "which do you think is better, Miller or Lincoln?" His answer, "they're both great machine, all depends on who is going to service you better." Air Liquide lost their least in central downtown, and just have 1 store WAY far away! Don't plan to open up another store, M-F closes at 4pm and closed on the weekends!!!
    Gaspro has 3 stores, open 7 days a week. 'Nuff said!!!!!
    I don't blast Lincoln, 'cause their excellent machines and a LOT of great welders use them. I just prefer BLUE

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  • terry welds
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    buy miller

    my fatherinlaw and i have a small welding shop on the side. and we buy nothen but miller. and dewalt he bought a bobcat 250 with a wc 30a spoolmatic 15a gun in califonia before he moved hear. the welder just didnt run right when got to ILL. took it to are dealer.and they fixed it no qustions asked. it was set for the climet in CA. you wont get that at HD. or lowes. or your wantabe welding stores.they need to keep there eyes on 2x4s and nails. and not the welding supplys.

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  • Wicked one
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    Originally posted by youngwelder_154 View Post
    Jonny I agree with you 110% I dont believe they should sell miller at just any store. I tihnk miller has one of the best welders around! I dont think they need to go to Canadian Tire or any places of that sort, the welders form there arnt the same quality as the real stuff some of the lincolin welders I seen at CT were going so cheap and my saying has always been and always will be "You get what you pay for." I have always thought that if you buy sometinhg with a good brand name from CT or Home Depot they will jsut give a bad name to that brand becuase there jsut a cheap look alike.
    Have you ever owned one? All the lincolns you buy at them places are between 400 and 600 bucks you get what you pay for. what do you expect. Miller has a cheaper line as well it's called hobart. So until you've actually owned one or have enough experience to pass judgment don't stroke the establishment.

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  • acsuppa
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    After trying the "HD" (Home Depot) retail version of a Lincoln, I'm glad I returned it and bought a Miller. I understand that companies want to sell as much as they can but when they sacrifice quality just to lower the price it doesn't say much for the company. At least with Hobart, you pay a little more but you get a better product for the price. I love my Miller and I would never get anything else.

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  • paulrbrown
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    TS, I have had the same experience with Miller Distributors, I wanted to try a 200DX, and they had one shipped in next day, I was so impressed, I just bought it with out trying it out, and as far as repairs, bought a Hobart 135 Handler, made by Miller, had a problem first week, they swapped out, no questions. Now Jackson stuff, stay away, anyway, the Distributor usually can match anyone, they want your consumable business....and even then, they are very competitive.....Happy with Miller after 12 years......Paul

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  • TS-Off-Road
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    My machine was fairly new, so I'm sure that's why they replaced it. If it was older I believe I would have had to wait for the part, but my local Miller dealer would have given me a replacement machine to use in the meantime if that was the case - yet another service you can't get from an Internet dealer or home improvement store!

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  • youngwelder_154
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    TS I will have to strongly agree with what you are saying. You are going along the same rout at me. I think the way they treated your problem is good Id love to get a whole new machine if mine was broke I was wondering if you had a year or two older modle would they still replace it or would they just send you a new part?

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  • TS-Off-Road
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    I buy Miller from a local dealer and even though it may cost a bit more, you can't put a price on the service! For example, my Dynasty needed repair and when the shop couldn't get the new part in a timely manner the dealer called the Miller rep and got a brand new unit shipped next day! Not just a part a, NEW MACHINE! You won't get that service at Lowes or HD, not ever, nor from the internet. It will be a sad day if I ever see a Miller for sale at a big chain home improvement store.

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  • TomVeatch
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    Originally posted by bpickell View Post
    ... not only is it expensive to ship, but friends of mine keep getting damaged welders being shipped by brown.
    Many online vendors offer "free" shipping in the lower 48. As far as UPS is concerned, I believe they have an undeserved reputation. I've had very good luck with UPS deliverys. I recall only one item out of probably hundreds delivered by UPS that was damaged in transit. Of course that one was a chunk of granite (actually a small granite surface plate) but they made good on it.

    My MM180 was purchased online and delivered by UPS in pristine condition.

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