Bobcat propane conversion

[F1rebird]

FYI

With todays gas engine manufactures that Miller uses in the Bobcat's or Trailblazer (Kohler / Robin) they don't advise to do a Gas to LP conversion due to emissions etc. You will greatly reduce the horsepower of the engine and in turn reduce the welders output capability. Lastly if such a conversion kit is used, the engine manufactures will not stand behind the warranty any longer.

The Kohler LP Engine that is use on Miller Welders draws liquid LP not vapor.

Jeff

[lilredex]

Anyone interested in propane conversions, may want to tune in here:

http://fuelsforum.rasoenterprises.com/

Many knowledgeable people there.

[84ZMike]

Anybody have any ideas what would cause this? Not doubting your word, just curious as to why it would happen.

Best way to explain it would be like this........go find a little old ladies car that she bought brand new in 1962 that has 50,000 miles on it and it runs great doesn't leak or burn any oil etc........then give the keys to a 16 yr old that just got there DL won't last two weeks before it will start burning oil running like crap etc......
Propane is much easier on an eng. and it's oil......gas is much harder on the eng....it combust more violently and deposits more "junk" into the oil.
Mike

[calweld]

The big thing I always liked about the bobcat is simplicity. The Trailblazer has more bells and whistles, but the bobcat is just a straight welder/generator, no PC boards, if something does go wrong, lift the hood, find what's burnt, fix it yourself.

[harcosparky]

Calweld,

I was doing a quick search here on the website to see what info Miller might have and ran across this article. It doesn't help with the LP part, but the contractor spotlighted reminded me of your truck that we talked about in another thread. Thought you would enjoy...SSS

http://www.millerwelds.com/education.../story100.html

That article makes me want a Bobcat even more than I did before I read it!

[SkidSteerSteve]

Calweld,

I was doing a quick search here on the website to see what info Miller might have and ran across this article. It doesn't help with the LP part, but the contractor spotlighted reminded me of your truck that we talked about in another thread. Thought you would enjoy...SSS

http://www.millerwelds.com/education/articles/story100.html

[calweld]

I really don't remember what was happening specifically, at one time I knew, but most of this happened 20 years ago. I'll have a chance to see somebody who did one of these next week, I'll ask him if I have a chance. Probably somebody who knows more than I will have the answer before that anyway . . .

[TomVeatch]

...the gas conversions only lasted a couple years before blowing up...

Anybody have any ideas what would cause this? Not doubting your word, just curious as to why it would happen.

[calweld]

if you do go propane for a period of more than 250 hrs or so NEVER NEVER go back to gas.....I have seen fork lifts that were run on gas then LP then someone gets a wild hair to convert back to gas and well they don't last much longer after that.....Mike

I'll second that statement. About 20-25 years ago one of the local propane companies did a major updating on their fleet . . . dumped a bunch of propane-engined Chevy one- and two-ton flatbeds. Bunch of guys picked them up relatively cheap, some converted back to gas, others kept propane. Almost without exception, the gas conversions only lasted a couple years before blowing up, the ones that stayed propane ran and ran and ran (and some are still going today).

[84ZMike]

Yes propane will produce less horse power......you can get kits to run duel fuel (propane or gas)....not sure about for the Bobcat......if I were looking at going propane I'd go all the way no duel fuel as it can create problems....if you do go propane for a period of more than 250 hrs or so NEVER NEVER go back to gas.....I have seen fork lifts that were run on gas then LP then someone gets a wild hair to convert back to gas and well they don't last much longer after that.....as far as run time well that will depend on you.......idling it would probably run for 60 plus hrs on a regular size fork lift tank......but as far as welding etc it would very....I'd estimate you'd be able to get a solid 15-20 hrs to a tank.....just remember to turn the tank off with the eng. running at the end of every day of use especially if it's cold out.....you wouldn't be able to use a fork lift tank as they draw liquid and your Bobcat is air cooled so no way to convert to vapor...I could be wrong but all the ones I have seen used regular stand up bottles that draw vapor.
Good Luck,
Mike

[FusionKing]

I thot they sold them NEW?? (factory equiped) at least 10 yrs ago I think they did ( Great Idea on the house tank BTW)

[SkidSteerSteve]

yeah, definently talking about the big blue box......besides....don't cuss like that around my CAT skid steer.....once you use pilot controlled hydraulics, you will never go back to a lever controlled machine that hasn't had a major design change in 30yrs...but I digress

But...this is not the first time I've had this confusion....

Anyway, so if anyone has expeirence with a propane conversion on an Onan powered, Miller Bobcat 250 engine drive welder, I could use some info

Thanks!!
SSS

[harcosparky]

Uh . . .

are we talking about a bobcat skid steer or a bobcat welder??????

My money says SSS is talking about a Bobcat Welder.

My clue came from this line .....

Two, if I ever need it for long term power, I can tie it into the tank for the house.

Be kind hard to use a skid-steer tethered to the home propane tank!

[calweld]

Uh . . .

are we talking about a bobcat skid steer or a bobcat welder??????

[Toysrme]

Eh. personally I wouldn't do it on a skid-steer type machine unless it had a turbo & you were after more power. Propane by itself doesn't have the energy density that diesel fuel will have. You'll wind up loosing some power runnign straight propane.
Where propane is really affective is when used as a secondary fuel to diesel on a forced induced (Turbo / Supercharged) application.

The expanding propane gas decreases the temperature of the incoming charge. Lower temperature is higher density. The more air that's stuffed in, the more fuel you can burn, the more power you can make. Propane also quickens the combustion process of diesel fuel. More of it is combustion in the combustion chamber instead of flying out the exhaust valve & burning when it hits an exhaust ports, manifolds & turbine.






Oh. And why on Earth do you have an idle bobcat!? You know those things rent for good amounts of money through whatever your local paper is right? Great supplimental income.



Fuel stabilizer is not rocket science either. You have X amount of gallons of fuel, you use Y amount of a good stabilizer.



Personally. I think it's a waste of time & money unless you're looking to crank up the boost on a turbo diesel so you can burn alot of fuel & keep it abit safer.