Responsibilities of the welding supervisor

[Darmik]

I have this welding supervisor with no welding back ground and I do mean no welding back ground.This person went to the CWB office did the 4 day seminar wrote a test and bingo your a welding supervisor.This person fells that they are not responsable for anything that I do pertaining to welding or fabrication.Meaning weld prep,weld process,Fitting,manufacturing of parts to be welded,not responsable period;nothing. So I called the CWB office
I talked to them they have this person on file as the welding supervisor for where I work okay They had said that you do not need:..Welding tickets,
welding experience, welding knowledge,Nothing of the sort to become a welding supervisor.So I went to this person and said you are responsable for any and all work that I do.This person denies that this is true so I proved it
I brought out my CWB red seal book welding and fab and in both books in black and white print clearly states that all welding and fabrication that I do the welding supervisor is ultimately responsable period. This person refuses to beleave this.Even in the supervisors hand book clearly states it .So what is going on now is the manager is trying to make the problem mine.
I said to the manager this position is worth and get this more than $0.50 cents
per hour drop dead.

What do you guy's think about this?

Darmik

[ghostrider52]

is this a cwb certified shop . the reason that i ask this is when i worked for
BCRail we weren't cwb certified and our welding instructors were taken off of the floor and had to pass the same welding tests. when it came time to certify us for a pecticular job a welder from the floor beat out and exwelding instructor from BCIT as he couldn't pass the xray exam of the tests. i do agree with you that if you have it written in black and white then it should be the instructors responsibility in a cwb certified shop

[Darmik]

We are a union CWB shop. This person failed all position flux core
and still maintaines there position.I do not have a problem with this but dont tell me that I'm responsable for what I do that's all I'm saying.So what is happening for the last 3 months now is I do all the welding and fab because there is only two of us and only one of us is certified.This person is still responsable.and this person still say's no no no no.Anyway I'm looking for a new job in hydraulics I can not work with people that are closed minded or just a moron.


Darmik

[84ZMike]

[QUOTE=Darmik;5784..............I do not have a problem with this but dont tell me that I'm responsable for what I do that's all I'm saying.....I can not work with people that are closed minded or just a moron.


Darmik[/QUOTE]

I'm no welding expert ....heck I'm not even sure what CWB is but you should always be responsible for what you do.....even if you were told to do something by a supervisor and you knew better but did it anyway.
Mike

[Tex]

Toxic Employee

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're being a whiney little girl. I know your kind. You're probably talking your co-worker's ears off about how this guy doesn't know anything and he shouldn't be in charge or whatever...and you're going to show him how stupid he is. You are an EMPLOYEE. Thank means there's a boss and he decided there's going to be a welding supervisor. He can probably learn a thing or two from you about welding, I'm sure. Give him a chance and realize your place in the food chain and you might end up good friends. You don't like it?....start your own company

We're alright now?

Good.

[ghostrider52]

sorry i mistoke your question about your welding supervisor responsibility!
welding supervisor responsibility is to try and train a person how to weld in an specific enviroment ie -- welding booth -- &-- to follow proper procedures on engineered welding drawings who don't have any practicle welding experence
thats where his reponsibility ends. To me yours starts everytime that you start a welder even if its for a coworker thats doing something that you know is unsafe which is your responsibility to do the best job that you are capable of

[wello]

if you expect some else to take responsibility for your welding why are you are a welder once you pick up that hand piece the weld you make is your responsibility no one else
if you think its not your responsibility give the game up before you kill someone with weld's you don't to be your responsibility for f*ck's sake

thats the biggest cop out I've heard

[alston welding]

I am fairly new hear but non new to welding as I said in my very first post. I have been on all sides of this (THE WELDER / THE SUPERVISOR & NOW OWNER) in my 22 years as a welder (pipe & structural).I could not agree more that the welder’s responsibility begins the minuet he decides to down a welding shield and attempt to strake an arc. Me personally I am in love with welding and my wife and always have been sense the age of 16 . Yes welding has provided me and my family a pretty good life, and yet I would do it for free ( but my wife wont let me ) There is a shortage of welders in this country and from the owner point of view I would not wont to be losing my welders. OK hears were it kind of messed up for the welder. From the owner’s point of view , your very best and most certified welder is vital to the success of the project to have him do all that behind the seen stuff. So the owner would hares a guy that cant even carry the welders tool bag, but you see that behind the sees stuff can be a all day every day work load . You see the supervisor has to deal with management demands as well as having to stock the welders ego , as well as the paper work that comes with all of it ,that most of the time keeps him from leaving on time at end of the day when the welder headed home for a cold beer. So you see when we all love what we are doing, it all come together and more often than not the results are usually better in this country than anywhere else in the wold.

[weldone]

Darmik, understand that a welding supervisor is there to over see the welders,
weld shop(or a specific weld area) AND YES the work thats gets done.BUT they're not responsible for the work (per-se) of the welder.YOU are responsible for the beads youre layin my friend as it should be.Reading of the print,layout,fit up, machining and of course first inspection...Also are YOURE responsibilities.If so deemed by youre company.ALL questions,CONCERNS that you have on the project should burn his EAR off and in return he should find the answer to the problem,and relay that info to you.AND guess what it's ONCE AGAIN IN YOURE HANDS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

You cant presume that whatever you do its on him. NOPE.
REMEMBER THIS IF NOTHING ELSE: YOURE WELD IS YOURE SIGINATURE, IT'S A PURE REFLECTION OF: a)HOW MUCH YOU KNOW AND b) How much you care about what it is you are doing.and c)The progress you are making in a and b

[arc]

as a welder you are the first inspector and may be the only inspector if shop foreman has confidence in your welds so you have the responsibility for your welds.

[TomVeatch]

What do you guy's think about this?

I think, just like in any organizational structure, that he is responsible to his management for the quantity and quality of the output from his shop. Likewise, and to that end, you are responsible to him for the quantity and quality of your individual work.

I have served under any number of supervisors/managers/superiors who were neither qualified nor capable of performing the specific tasks required of me. That's why I was there - to perform those tasks. It was his responsibility to provide me with any needed support in the effort, but it was my responsibility to perform those tasks to the best of my ablility. And, if I failed to reliably perform in the quantity and quality required, for whatever reason, it was his responsibily to correct the problem, up to and including replacing me with someone who could and would.

[Darmik]

Hey guy's thanks for your input I called CWB on friday The office in surrey
anyway I talked to one of there inspectors and I quote if anythings happens to a weld that I do I am partly responsable you are right, Now when one of my welds fail and kill somebody the supervisor bears the brunt of what ever happens just because I pass a weld test when I go to weld something maybe that day I have a fusion problem or something and something did happen the supervisor where's it cwb will be going after that person with the title. I also did a little more checking with the place that I work for because the manager did ask me to run the shop I called head office
your not going to beleave this there is no insurance to cover that person in case something did ever happen the company will pay for all damages and what ever eles happens however it does not stop YOU (your family because remember now your dead)from suing this person for wrongfull death because this person is not a qualified welder nor is this person a qualified inspector anyway the company will not fight on your behalf sorry your on your own now.

So not only can your family sue my azz off but dont for get about CWB and there law suit aganst YOU as well.

Hey guy's I'm not scared of responsibilty and NO I'm not trying to take anybody's job or position but for what ever reason I would like to know that who I work for they will help me out when sh!t happens because as welders we all know all to well that sh!t happens even to the best of us. This senario happened with some transportation company here in BC the company did not cover the supervisor.NOTE: It's good to do some checking before taking a position on. Now on my first thread think about this is it worth $0.50 cents more an hour? o ya I did agree with every thing you people are saying but if it states it in the supervisors hand book(the little blue one) and in the red seal books that you get from CWB then well.I'm not a closed minded person all you people make PERFECT sence I think or did. If I had a scaner attached to this thing I would scan the pages but if you people want me type breifly what is said in my books well I guess I have to.


The reason why I say people,person is because I dont know if there are any female welders on this form and not all females like to be called a guy.


Darmik

[Winger Ed.]

Like Tom, I've had supervisors who couldn't spell my job description, much less do it.

That's just how it is.
If your supervisor can't weld, he shouldn't be welding on the job or telling you how to do it either. That's normal.

As a supervisor, he probably doesn't have to weld.
As stated before, he's more nearly a manager and is responsible for getting you the support, parts, equip. you need to do your job,,,,,,,,
then be sure you're left alone and not hasseled so you can do it.

Personally, I always liked that arrangement.
That way, when given a job or task, I could do it the way I saw fit,
and not be constantly 2nd guessed by supervisors or managers.
In reality, as they were ultimately responsible for my work----
we both knew that thier fate was in my hands more so than mine in thiers.

[Darmik]

Now a days it is HE or She To add to what I had said earlier I'm not trying to jusitify me not having responsability to myself for what I do He!! no and I would back my supervisor in what ever happens because I'm doing the work; However the dark side of things are I worked way to hard to lose what I have today. How it works today I get my jobs and then left alone the odd time i get bugged can you just fix this up abit not a problem leave it with me.
I would say about 90% of the time I'm left a lone I just LOVE it and yes I do the best I can with what I have to work with our machines are and I'm guessing here older then most people on this web site.very old Hobart stuff
3 phase hey winger ED I agree
I looked through all my pictures just now to show you just how old but no luck I can take some on monday though. O ya I'm trying to get these people to hire a c or b level with at least 1 year fitting experience must know how to read a measuring tape. Start at welder level 2 gets $23.52 or $24.52 I forget



Darmik

[Iron man]

Responsability of a supervisor I think depends on where you work for instance. I am a supervisor and don't have the first ticket havent been to anykind of welding school. but I can weld as I started at the bottom where I work and finally made it to where I am at now.