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  • badassb5
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    Originally posted by Ls2cam View Post
    Finally, my house replaced newer elec. service panel and add 50 AMP/6-2 wire for welding. Next project I will buy Miller welding 252 in few month..
    Cost me for that replaced electrical serivce is $1,700..


    He did do a very nice job. I Have a 100 am in the house and have just got my mm 252, so I really need to put in my 200amp that I've had for 7 months now.

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  • Tom C
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    Garage

    JC Fella............Ya gotta up grade up Main Electical Box........come to the 21 century........ may cost you a grand and 200 amp box is plenty ....... OK.....You can use a DC short Arc welder with attachment to do Aluminum ...... catch here is ??? I 'm thinking your gonna near Helic- Arc welding more.........PROBLEM........You can get a 220 volt AC-DC- helic arc welder but the High Frequencty while welding welding aluminum well go thru the electrical lines and screw up ur phones, ur neighbors phones and any electrical outlets around u ........u need a special grounding unit to stop it.........Kid knows I done it

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  • Craig in Denver
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    Originally Posted by SignWave
    I dont know what US electrical codes say, but in Canada, everything has to be mounted on the outside of the building now. It is no longer permissible to run inside a wall cavity.

    Ls2cam, you're no idiot. It's code in some areas of USA too. You had a liscensed electrician install your panel and I think he did a darn good job of it. That looks like a quality upgrade. Especially compared to the 'before' pic.

    They're put outside so the fire department can get to them in an emergency.

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  • AnotherDano
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    Originally posted by Dustyhaze75 View Post
    thats crazy .....................................I've never seen that before. at least you dont have to go into the house to flip a breaker lol ............
    Neither does the burgler..

    I first saw this on a new house being built by a friend in Jefferson County Colorado. He was an electrician from Chicago and was having a major pizzing match with the codes department. (Circa 1976)

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  • Dustyhaze75
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    thats crazy .....................................I've never seen that before. at least you dont have to go into the house to flip a breaker lol ............

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  • Ls2cam
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    Originally posted by Noisy Nova View Post
    A distribution panel on the outside of the house! Now that just boggles my mind.
    Something wrong on my mind relations to my house's serivce panel outside?

    The electrical guy has Lic. and my hometown utility crew, said it will work with Millermatic 252.. Do I look like Idiot?

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  • FusionKing
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    Maybe you coulda put it next to a window

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  • Craig in Denver
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    Originally posted by SignWave View Post
    I dont know what US electrical codes say, but in Canada, everything has to be mounted on the outside of the building now. It is no longer permissible to run inside a wall cavity.
    Here in Denver, mine is also outside.

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  • Noisy Nova
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    A distribution panel on the outside of the house! Now that just boggles my mind.

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  • Ls2cam
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    Replace newer Electrical Panel Service

    Finally, my house replaced newer elec. service panel and add 50 AMP/6-2 wire for welding. Next project I will buy Miller welding 252 in few month..
    Cost me for that replaced electrical serivce is $1,700..
    :

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  • EdZep
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    8 or 6

    Minimum 8 in thickness, meaning 6 would be better. I'm only butting in, in case time is an issue. I'm sure I'm less qualified than sberry. But, I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last... er, I did wire up a 50 amp welder receptacle, and used 6/2+ground Romex.

    Originally posted by Ls2cam View Post
    Excuse me, what is"minimum of number 8 wire" mean? Y mean, 8 AWG wires?

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  • Ls2cam
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    Originally posted by sberry View Post
    You need a 50A breaker, minimum of number 8 wire and a 6-50-R for the recept for a 252.
    Excuse me, what is"minimum of number 8 wire" mean? Y mean, 8 AWG wires?

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  • Sberry
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    You need a 50A breaker, minimum of number 8 wire and a 6-50-R for the recept for a 252.

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  • Ls2cam
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    Originally posted by Ls2cam View Post
    I am new rookie to all of Miller Welds Guys. I run my own Garage’s shop (at home) to build custom cars. I had Lincoln Pro-Mig 135 for several years.
    The big reason I really need to have Aluminum weld because I work on custom cars at my own garage.

    I been have thinking to buy MillerMatic DV12 w/ Spoolmate(#951067) or 212 w/ Spoolmate (#951068).

    I concern about my home beside my garage. My house built in 1960's and has old style main (200 amps,?) electrical w/12 plugs and 2 boxed (30 amps) cartridges at wall beside my house in outdoor. Since the MillerMatic 212 require have 230 V/30-210 amps (160 Amps at 24.5 VDC, 60% duty cycle). I am NOT familiar with electrical things.


    I have Dryer (Straight Blade Device) outlet n garage. It is 220 Volts/30 amps. And, I never use it. Can I change it to be 220 Volts for welder outlet? Will it work?

    I really enjoy read this forum...

    Hello Miller Welds Guys,
    Ready for X-Mas vacation

    The electrical guy came by last 2 weeks ago and looked at my home’s this one. He will start work on replace new 200 AMP Main box after X-Mas day.. We made agreed that I buy the material likely Main 200AMP box, several breakers, cables, meter box and Weld outlet/wires.

    I will buy Millermatic 252 ASAP but First, I rather paid off at electrician’s labor..
    MillerMatic252:
    Input Power Requires 1- phase power
    Rated Output
    200 Amps at 28 VDC, 60% duty cycle
    250 Amps at 28 VDC, 40% duty cycle
    Welding Amperage Range
    30 - 300 Amps .


    I forget ask the electrician guy, what I should buy the AWG wires,AMP breakers,and Outlet for MM252 – what size 10-3 or 12-3 or 14-3AWG for 220V-240V for weld outlet?

    What rated for Breakers? 30AMP two breaker? 60 AMP breaker?

    What name for outlet? I look at the outlet at Home Depot/Lowe’s. There have different 220V outlet (3 pins) likely holes N straight slot??? I AM REALLY IDIOT.

    I need your suggestion to pick what kind of Outlet correctly for weld outlet.

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  • kcstott
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    Follow the advice of everyone here saying to upgrade. I just did the up grade on my dads place cost about a grand but I also upgraded the garage power too. there was one 110 outlet and one 220 outlet in there. Now there's 110 down each wall spaced six feet apart with 220 to my welder and another to my mill.

    The thing with fuses is that if they short they don't interrupt the current immediately. those old screw in fuses are not good. New circuit breakers and GFI's are disigned to blow within .05 of a second or faster. it's fast enough to save your life.
    If you have the bucks paysomeone to do it. I did mine my self but I've been working with electricity for twenty years.
    Kerry
    Last edited by kcstott; 12-14-2007, 01:09 PM.

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