Ideas on winch cage/ hydraulic PTO

[Black Wolf]

Fisrt 3 pictures of the front bumper & grill guard. Center section is same 5" Xtra Xtra Heavy wall pipe that gin poles are made of. Wings under headlights are 5" sch 80. Entire grill guard is 5" sch 80, elbows are sch 40. Flat bar horse shoe in center of bumper is 1"x6". Side plates below frame for skid plate is 3/4" 44W. Skid plate is 44" wide x 34" long 3/4" 44W. Everything is FCAW w/ Hobart Fabco 110 .045" The owner wanted the truck to look beefy, I think we went overboard but I don't own a bolt in it so whatever..... It's all smoke & noise to me.

1025 - bumper & guard, no skid plate.
1079 - bumper & guard, side plated welded on.
1080 - all done. Yeah "Size Does Matter"

All guards shown for Tulsa RN60 & Braden 125 are 3" sch 80. Elbows on drum guard are sch 40. All pipes runing vertical are one piece from winch base to light bar, and open on both ends for wiring. Cross bar above winch is 3 pieces, cut & coped, then welded in & blended out. Light bar above winch is 4"x8"x1/4" tubing that we had to back grind so that the grommets for the lights would fit.

1123 - Braden 125 main winch & h/a rack
1124 - more of Braden 125

[Black Wolf]

More of the same.

[Black Wolf]

You're more than welcome..... Anytime. Glad the guys on your end like my work. I can give you rough prints if you want them. All the guarding is my design, so I have all the measurements, and materials etc. If you run across a project like this, I'll be more than happy to give you pointers on how to do the layout etc. I'll dig around and see what other pictures I have that aren't already posted.

Later,
Jason

[HMW]

Blackwolf, Thanks for the pics and the explanation. I'm always interested in the oil field/pipe line work. Here on the east coast of [USA] we dont have any of that so have never been exposed to it. Very interesting though!! I showed the pics to some guys here and everybody thought the equipment was cool. Really liked the pipe guard built over the winches


SSS-Do they have a winch museum somewhere?? Might be better than the new ones though. Are parts still avaliable?

[Black Wolf]

I'll show you what we started out with, and a couple of shots of some of the steel we piled onto this thing. I have lots more if anybody is interested.

Later,
Jason

[Black Wolf]

Scott,

Hey, thanks for the compliments. Always appreciated. Bed trucks like this and larger are used in the Oil & Gas industry in Alberta, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan. They are used to move Service Rigs, Drilling Rigs, Productiont Testing Equipment, and Rental Equipment.

I used to drive larger beds than I have in the pictures. Basically what they do is unload all of the skid-mounted equipment off of the tractor/trailer units, and winch the loads onto the bed, and carry into location, or just move around location and spot into the correct place on the lease. The gin poles pictured are used to unload pipe, collars, blow-out preventers (BOP's) and the like off of tractor/trailer units. They are also used to remove the draw works off of the drilling floor, and to remove the derrick mast from the substructure. Another common use it loading/unloading 8' x 40' rig matting, and spotting into place. You get the idea.

The bed truck in the pictures has a special type of gin poles on it. It's hush-hush so I can't give out too many details. Short version is that the gin poles, along with the rest of the bed that we built, and the specs off the Kenworth cab & chassis were sent to an engineer for certification. This is the first bed truck we know of with an actual engineered lifting system on it. According to the engineer, after de-rating the poles to allow for a industry accepted safety factor, the truck is certified to physically lift 69.8 tons (139,600 lbs). We further de-rated the poles to 40 tons so we weren't working to the limits all the time and using up the life of the truck.

Now that you're used to that piece of iron, I'll post pictures of the biggest machine in the yard. For the record, we did not build this unit. It was hand built by the manufacturer in Calgary. It costs just over $1.2 million. This company bought 2. I did some revisions and customization to this unit after the pictures. Also a previous trucking company I drove for, it was part of my job to load and haul this piece of equipment to & from the location.

First picture is from 1997. This is the winch tractor I drove for a local oilfield hauling company. The jeep & lowbed I used, and the Commander that I hauled. This photo was taken by a professional model builder. Behind the reception desk at this company is a scale model replica of all the equipment in this picture down to the last detail. My name is even on the driver's door.

All the following pictures are of the new 2006 Foremost Commander C's that I mentioned earlier. I tried to post a few photos showing how large these things are. Guys in photos are two of the welders I worked with at this company.

Enjoy.
Later,
Jason

[SkidSteerSteve]

Intresting find

So today I started following up on the model of winch that I have. I got in touch with a product support rep from Braden. When I first gave him the numbers off of the ID plate on the unit, he sounded a bit confused. He told me that they didn't really make sense and that they weren't in the standard format for their products. He asked me if there were any other marking on the unit so that he could research it. I told him the only other markings were "Braden Winch Co, Tulsa Okla." that were cast into the end cap of the worm drive. He paused for a second and said "Tulsa??" We haven't built anything in Tulsa since the late '40s. That's when the company moved to the Tulsa suburb of Broken Arrow. Looks like I have a little piece of heavy equipment history sitting in the shop floor! Now I'm not sure if I even want to use it. Even though it's in good shape, I'd hate to tear up something like that. Maybe I can find a museum that would like it.

SSS

[HMW]

Blackwolf, cool looking work. Your right you must have added a mess of weight to that truck. What is it used for?? Nice welds and really neat design with the pipe to protect the winch
thanks for the pics

[SkidSteerSteve]

Thanks for the pics

Thanks Black Wolf for all the pics. I haven't had a chance to look through all of them, but trust me I will over the next few days. I like the hitch box idea. Never would have thought about going that route. Part of me really wants to keep the 5th wheel plate because I know as soon as I take it off, I'll regret it. Just because Murphy works that way. This might be my answer, though. I dug the winch out from dad's barn this weekend. hadn't seen it in 6 or 7 years but I knew it was heavy enough that I'd be the only one to every mess with it. I'm going to track down the serial numbers and such this week and download a manual from Braden. That way I can have all the specs on it. I bought it at action and then stored it years ago, so I'm not a 100% sure of what I have. I just know it's Braden and takes a tractor to pick it up and set it on the trailer.

I'll post more as it happens.

SSS

[Black Wolf]

I suppose now you want to see what that goes on???

It all was mounted on a very large tandem steer, tandem drive SOW bed truck that I built a little while ago. We built two identical. Both have full hydraulics powered by F.E.P.T.O. (Front Engine Power Take Off) pumps, meaning they have full power moving or stationary. Both have double winches (Braden 125 & Tulsa RN 60) Both have gin poles. Both have hydraulic lift kick rolls. Both have hydraulic gin pole risers. All in all, I believe when we were done building these trucks we added around 15 tons of steel to the overall weight.

Some pictures are of the completed trucks. Some are of gin poles in the air. I'll even throw in a couple of pictures with my Super Duty in them to give you fellas an idea how massive these things are.

Hope you enjoy the pics.
Later,
Jason

[Black Wolf]

Some winch & h/a rack photos

Fist two photos are of Tulsa Ruffneck 60 (30 ton) winch mounted as a second winch on a SOW bed truck.

Photo 929 is of the primary/secondary winch setup for the SOW as viewed from the deck looking towards the rear of the cab.

Next photo is of primary winch & h/a rack. Winch is a Braden 125which is rated for 125,000 lbs single line pull or 62.5M ton. Take note of the checker plate drum guard installed between the winch guard and winch drum so the winch line cannot get outside the drum and cause the operator a bunch of grief.

Last photo is of driver side pneumatic controls of Braden 125. Shown is the Velvac air cylinder controlling the dog-clutch on winch. Care should be taken when orientating the pneumatic cylinder to operate the dog-clutch, as one direction is stronger than the other. You want the stronger action holding the dog-clutch into the winch drum. Cylinder is stronger in extension as you have the full surface area of the piston to act on. In contraction, you have less surface area on the piston face because you have to subtract the area taken up by the push-rod. I'm sure for your application, either orientation is fine, I just wanted to supply the correct info for anyone building these rigups for industrial use.

Also shown in last photo is a little "extra" that I build onto winches for operator convenience. Instead of using the OEM band brake system, I cut the splines of a normal brake "S-cam" and weld it onto the OEM hex rod. This allows me to install a non-ratcheting brake slack adjuster into the band brake system so the operator has infinite adjustment in seconds with a 9/16" wrench. Slack adjuster and band brake are actuated by service pot in photo that I mentioned in a previous post. Not shown in picture is the brake spring that I usually mount between a bracket on the service pot to an empty hole in the top of the slack adjuster to help the band brake to release. The return springs in the service pots are really tiny and do not exert much force, so over time the band brake tends to drag.

Later,

Before I forget, all the winch guards and h/a racks shown are made out of 3" sch80 pipe. You can use whatever you have handy. If you require some assistance later laying out the winch guards etc, let me know and I can walk you through how to figure out the length of all the pieces and all the mitre cuts for the style that you want.

[Black Wolf]

More Pin Box Details

Side View of Binkley Flip Over to rest of Pin Box

Hope the pictures help. Pin box is made from 3" x 3" x 1/4" tubing. Binkley hinge plate is 1/2" 44W steel, more than enough for this application. Pop up gooseneck hitch is by Buyers. Fifth wheel is by Binkley, a division of Holland Fifth Wheels and is rated for I believe 35,000lbs. Binkley welded to hinge plate is FCAW. Gooseneck hitch to pin box is FCAW. Everything else was GMAW. Hinge for Binkley is 1" Cold-rolled with 5 pieces of pipe that just slide over it arranged in a staggered finger joint. Some of the dimensions are on the tape in the photos. Just my way of keeping all the info together. If you require any further info on this, just let me know.

Later,
Jason

[Black Wolf]

More Pin Box Details

Gooseneck ball hitch & Binkley hinge details

[Black Wolf]

More Pin Box details

Binkley welded to hinge plate using FCAW.

[Black Wolf]

You've lost me on the reversing gearbox????? Check your transmission for PTO mounts. Should have 6 or 8-bolt covers. I can't remember off-hand the part # for the 6-bolt but the 8-bolt PTO from Chelsea is an 863. They can be driven either direction and are reversible. Can be operated by cable or pneumatics, your choice. This should solve your issue with reversing the winch. It may be a touch of overkill, but I would recommend using a Velvac (I'll find the part# if you want it) dual acting air cylinder to activate the dog-clutch on the winch drum. Just an ordinary service only brake pot works well for the band brake.

Just because you brought up changing over hitches, I built a tow box in June for a customer that should be of use to you. It has both a pop-up ball type gooseneck hitch and also a flip up Binkley mini 5th wheel rated for over 35,000 lbs. Both hitches fold down out of sight when not in use for clear deck loading. Both hitches share the same coupling centerline so all you have to do after fabbing it up is locate it on your frame in relation to your axle centerline and attach to the subframe for your deck. I forgot to mention the the hold-down bolts for the Binkley wheel, as well as the trailer plug-in are in the well where the Binkley flips into.

Later,