Ideas on winch cage/ hydraulic PTO

[HMW]

That sounds like a geat deal. Funny parts for some of the medium/heavy trucks are cheaper than the newer smaller trucks. Things like brakes and suspension parts will last you forever Why the reversing gear box?? The winch does not have a gear box that can not reverse the direction?? Or do you want to use the pto for a couple different things?

Good luck, keep us posted

[SkidSteerSteve]

I'll definently post pics as the project comes along. The 9100 is currently set up as a day cab, single axle, low profile tractor. For now, I just replaced the traditional goose neck coupler on my main trailer with a king pin unit. That way I can use the truck while I'm building it. My overall goal for the project is to pull the fifth wheel plate and replace it with a regular gooseneck ball. Then put the winch just behind the cab and from there back built a custom flat bed for it. Probably put a pintle hitch for the "dozer hauler" down the line and regular ball hitch for bumper pull trailers. It's going to be my super, super duty pick up...with factory air ride. My reason for picking this truck was many fold. Originally I was just going to get a one ton or a 450. But... those are $40K new and close to that used. Also if you find one reasonable, it's usually trashed out. Since this is only going to be a work truck and not a daily driver I figured why not go for the gusto. Used heavy truck are very reasonable. I gave around $12k for it. All new tires, new clutch, all new brakes. It has 528,000 miles on it, but I figure I can get another 200,000 out of it before major repairs. It was a company owned and maintained truck so I have all the records on it. With a 350hp M-11 cummins and a 10sp, it should perform very well for what I need it to.

I am starting to lean more toward the shaft drive pto. I'll have to come up with some sort of reversing gear box, though.

SSS

[HMW]

Thats going to be a cool tuck steve, post some pics of it. We install Braden PD18s [all removed from older trucks] on the front of our new Buckets and digger derricks. All are hydraulic driven but we have tandem pumps to use for power. One section runs the aerial unit the other the front winch. We use air over hydraulic on the controls so we can operate the winch from a couple different places. I designed this for my company about 12 yrs ago and the aerial manufactors took pictures and now offer them that way. I mean the air/hydraulic parts were already around , it just seemed nobody put then on a bucket truck like that. Used to use cables. Baum Hydraulics has a ton of stuff like that. Does the truck already have a PTO on it?? If so the shaft driven winch would be cheaper than hydraulic. Unless you really need the hydraulics for something else I'd make it shaft driven I think.

[Black Wolf]

Now your talking my language

Cool. Winch rig ups are my specialty. More than happy to help out. Winch guards can be made out of almost anything. Probably the two most popular up here are 2" square tubing 3/16" wall for the lighter rigups and 3" sch 80 pipe for the SOW bed trucks.

Any thoughts yet on how to attach winch to frame? Winch on subframe or direct onto truck frame? Tie-down bolts or shear plates? Are you using 44W Mild Steel or QT-100 for winch mounts?

I will give offer up a word of caution using hydraulic orbital motors to power up the winch worm gear..... Not really a good idea. Most mechanical winches have a double-reduction built into the jackshafts because of the different sized sprockets. I agree completely with the concept of what you are trying to do, but we've tried it up here and it really doesn't work. You end up either sacrificing speed or power. Yes, I know that through valving etc. that you can have different flow and speed of orbital motors, but this will not give you the results that you are looking for. Some winches, depending on year, are eligible for a hydraulic drive upgrade which replaces some parts on the worm gear side of the case, and converts the winch over to hydraulic with all the benfits you already mentioned.

Most of my pictures are brutally huge but I'll try to get some posted on here for you to look at.

Later,
Jason

[SkidSteerSteve]

I finally bought a new truck (ok, new to me...'99 International 9100). One of my projects for this winter is to put a winch that I've had sitting in the barn for several years waiting for me to get a truck big enough for it. It's a 30Klbs Braden mechanical drive PTO unit. Age....not a clue. Anyway, my plan is to mount it behind the cab. I've seen a thousand trucks with winches mounted like that, but never really paid attention to how they were built. Anybody ever built up a cage and/or headache rack to go along with one. I'd be open to design ideas and especially pictures.

Also, I'm debating whether or not to build up the PTO system myself. My plan it to do a hydraulic pump driven from the transmission (10sp Rockwell, I can provide more specifics if someone needs them) then plumb the other parts and couple a motor to the input shaft of the winch. This way I can have variable, reversible power to it. Also, I'll have hydraulic power for other things down the line if the need ever arises. The biggest kicker is that I can work on hydraulics, but I've never built an entire system from scratch. Anybody know of a good website that cover the 101's of hy design?

SSS