a thread celebrating the "not so bright"

[jjsjeff]

... Even with all of the proper training in the world, with all the latest products on the market, and the information level available on the internet, there is not one single outlet available for these people to get common sense, so I now regretfully retract my proposed idea that people should have to be trained because no matter what we do, they will still be a danger to the rest of us. Dave

One of the financial guy's talk shows I listen to uses the quote "common sense isn't all the common anymore".

[SignWave]

I have gas.

when lighting or shutting down a torch we all know its: "A before O or up you go!!!" Right?

[fun4now]

"common sense isn't all the common anymore".
sadly so very true.

[welder_one]

this one happened today, we had gotten a new mechanical radius punch press in yesterday. it is used to round corners on metal. it is a 12 ton unit. i was asked to fabricate a point of entry guard for this machine, and the maintenance man would drill and thread holes in the machine to bolt the guard in place. so i made the guard and set it in place. now the machine is set and lock out/tag outs installed. i walked back to my area, and not more than 10 minutes later, i hear a loud scream from that area. i ran over to find one of the metal department guys laying on the floor with a little blood coming from his arm. this knuckle head had found the key to the lock out/tag out and plugged the machine in, turned it on and pushed the button. the ram spun around and smack the guard hard enough to hit him in the arm and draw blood. i asked him why he took the lock off, he said that it looked like the guard was on and wanted to use the machine. rule #1 about lock out/ tag out: if you didnt do the work, dont remove the lock...period. this same person about a month ago had a rattle on another machine and removed the guards over the belt, leaned in, and got his arm pulled around the pulley by the belt. it caused 21 stitches. hopefuly this fellow wont be around much longer. his new nickname is beetlejuice. b/c he looks like beetlejuice.

[KBar]

this one happened today, we had gotten a new mechanical radius punch press in yesterday. it is used to round corners on metal. it is a 12 ton unit. i was asked to fabricate a point of entry guard for this machine, and the maintenance man would drill and thread holes in the machine to bolt the guard in place. so i made the guard and set it in place. now the machine is set and lock out/tag outs installed. i walked back to my area, and not more than 10 minutes later, i hear a loud scream from that area. i ran over to find one of the metal department guys laying on the floor with a little blood coming from his arm. this knuckle head had found the key to the lock out/tag out and plugged the machine in, turned it on and pushed the button. the ram spun around and smack the guard hard enough to hit him in the arm and draw blood. i asked him why he took the lock off, he said that it looked like the guard was on and wanted to use the machine. rule #1 about lock out/ tag out: if you didnt do the work, dont remove the lock...period. this same person about a month ago had a rattle on another machine and removed the guards over the belt, leaned in, and got his arm pulled around the pulley by the belt. it caused 21 stitches. hopefuly this fellow wont be around much longer. his new nickname is beetlejuice. b/c he looks like beetlejuice.

You mean they still let him work there Buy him a nail gun and put him in his own little corner

[welder_one]

i am afraid that he will eventually hurt someone, if they dont

[fun4now]

man that guy has got to go. failure to fallow proper safty preseagers is a plenty good reason to let him go, befor he dose kill some one or realy get hurt.

[welder_one]

stay tuned, who knows what will happen tomorrow... they are running laminated panels through the paintline, something "not so bright" happens everytime

[fun4now]

so how many times has he been painted now.

[jjsjeff]

this one happened today, we had gotten a new mechanical radius punch press in yesterday. it is used to round corners on metal. it is a 12 ton unit. i was asked to fabricate a point of entry guard for this machine, and the maintenance man would drill and thread holes in the machine to bolt the guard in place. so i made the guard and set it in place. now the machine is set and lock out/tag outs installed. i walked back to my area, and not more than 10 minutes later, i hear a loud scream from that area. i ran over to find one of the metal department guys laying on the floor with a little blood coming from his arm. this knuckle head had found the key to the lock out/tag out and plugged the machine in, turned it on and pushed the button. the ram spun around and smack the guard hard enough to hit him in the arm and draw blood. i asked him why he took the lock off, he said that it looked like the guard was on and wanted to use the machine. rule #1 about lock out/ tag out: if you didnt do the work, dont remove the lock...period. this same person about a month ago had a rattle on another machine and removed the guards over the belt, leaned in, and got his arm pulled around the pulley by the belt. it caused 21 stitches. hopefuly this fellow wont be around much longer. his new nickname is beetlejuice. b/c he looks like beetlejuice.

Normally the LOTO key holder keeps possession of the key and only takes his lock off when someone else puts their lock on to perform a "change of guard". Might be different for different organizations though.

[welder_one]

well to my dissapointment, nothing stupid happend today at the plant. jjsjeff, the maintenance personell that had installed the LOTO keeps the keys in the maintenance cage, in the desk. this person had gone into the cage and into the desk to get the key.

[Engloid]

At the shop the other day, we were having a problem while tapping holes in aluminum. The holes are tapped from either side, leaving about 1/8th inch of space in between the 2 holes. Well, needless to say, their was alomost always a chip left inside this little space. One of the machinists suggested tapping all the way through the hole. One of the enginers said "If you do that, you will have a left hand thread on the opposite side!"

What a waste of a college education.

Maybe he is turning the tap the wrong way.

[welder_one]

i was reminded of this story today, a few years back (ten to be exact), while i was active duty army, we had gotten deployed over seas to egypt. close to time to return to the states, we had to was the trucks, trailers and equipment very thoroughly. my truck being the "bat mobile" a mobile machine shop, and trailer (yep, you got it, a welding trailer) was pulled into a stall. the trailer had the engine drive mounted in the middle of the trailer and torch bottles on the back, it was tongue light to say the least. in order to use the trailer, it had to be hooked to truck, or the landing legs had to be down.

this soldier was responsible for cleaning the trailer. i took care of the truck. when it was time to move out, i went after the truck and backed up to the trailer. i got out to see how much room i had and i saw this soldier sitting underneath the trailer trying to unpin the landing legs. i ran over to tell her that she didnt need to be anywhere near the underside of that trailer without it being on the truck, and it happened, she got the final pin out and immediately the trailer started falling on its hind. i grabbed her collar and flung her back out of harms way. the trailer cought her foot and broke her foot.

had i not been there, she would have been killed. what i didnt see was that when i jerked her back, her head hit a concrete pillar behind me. she was wearing her kevlar helmet, so no damage. she tried to press charges for me jerking her by her collar and "ramming" her into a concrete pillar. luckily one soldier cannot press charges against another, and also that i had a witness to the events.

amazing aint it, you save someone's life and they try to press charges against you.



better yet is the fact that they wanted the equipment to be cleaned with a power washer. so, we are power washing the desert off of the equipment.......in the middle of the desert. it didnt work out too well. another college education wasted

[fun4now]

thats typical army for ya.
power wash off the dust so you can drive it wet out into the desert. been there done that, the army works in mysterious way. or was that some one else ??.......

people only see there side of things, rarely do they see the hole picture.

[Steve]

We use LOTO and each person has their own lock and only key. On the lock is also your name so everyone knows who locked it out. You are the only one who can remove the lock unless of course you are dead, then they cut the lock.