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Oxy Acetylene Welding Autobodies?
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Oxy Acetylene Welding Autobodies?
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wow, that's a shock! those that fell apart must have been a guy that didn't know what he was doing! My grandfather had "Wong's Auto Body" since 1941, took over by my uncle, then died out from too much competition...
Didn't know it had to be mig or nothing...Weld13, if you know how to do it right, I can't see the insurance company complaining if they don't know! You might want to visit some body shops or ask/call up the votech teacher and ask him...I'm not late...
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O/A on auto body
You can o/a on the outer body panels, it was the uni body and structural supports that could not be done with out a mig. DaveIf necessity is the Mother of Invention, I must be the Father of Desperation!
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Either way it will be worked out because know of a couple of people locally with migs and once you do a coulpe of favors and stuff they always give back in fact one complemented after I miged up something on his machine said it was mine to borrow if I ever needed it or anything else. My brother is also an expert on o/a welding don't know how he does it so well but I think I will start gettin some more practice on it so I can show him up on that cause he can't even use a mig very well. I have only done it about once and hes worked a whole summer job of o/a welding on aluminum and steel. The jeep would be an 80's model cj7 but am still looking for one in good shape at a decent price
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Originally posted by dabar39 View PostYou can o/a on the outer body panels, it was the uni body and structural supports that could not be done with out a mig. DaveLast edited by wrenchtech; 07-28-2007, 11:51 PM.
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Just a thought make shure you look at what a local welding store gives you because someone we know went to a store bought what he thought was a aluiminum rod for o/a and then found out once he gave it to my brother and he found out the hard way it was for steelwelding...its awsome
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i would think just standerd steel filler would be fine. try to stay close to the same size with the filler as your base metal.thanks for the help
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so why no O/A on the unibody?? too much haz??thanks for the help
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The automakers(all) in the 70's, in an effort to reduce weight, and thereby improve fuel economy, changed their sheet metal alloys. The new alloys are, in fact, thinner, but stronger than the alloys which were previously used. It was found that O/A welding created a large HAZ which was subject to cracking and therefore the shift to MIG.
By using stitch welds and moving around the panel being welded the bodyman can control the heat much better that was possible with O/A.
In actuality, more brazing was used in body repair, than was O/A "welding".
O/A welding requires a much higher skill level to employ properly than does MIG. In an unskilled hand, an O/A torch can do a lot of "damage" to today's body materials.
Things have changed a lot in body repair in the last 50 years. My dad opened his first body shop in 1946 and ran shops til he retired about 10 years ago. You can bet if today's technology had been available 50 years ago, the shops would have used it. I still remember mixing calcium chloride in a big hopper to produce acetylene for the O/A. There was no bondo then. Lead and spoons were the name of the game for fairing.
Why would anyone want to use 1950 technology when there are better tools available? Don't own a mig. Borrow one, rent one, but get one.
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thanks sun i knida figured it had to do with haz.thanks for the help
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hope i helped
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[quote=SundownIII;14031Why would anyone want to use 1950 technology when there are better tools available? Don't own a mig. Borrow one, rent one, but get one.
Just my .02[/quote]
Because I thought that with the right skill it would be easier to form the metal. Even if do work on it with a mig will still be using an o/a torch for some heating and forming.
welding...its awsome
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Weld_13,
Don't get me wrong, every welder (or wantabe) should have O/A at his disposal and be versed in it's safe operation.
What I'm saying is that "times have changed". If you went into today's modern "auto body repair spe******t" shop (aka-body shop) and asked 90% of the technicians how they would "shrink" metal with O/A, they wouldn't have a clue what you were talking about.
I'm betting you'd find more technicians versed in the use of a pop-rivet gun, than you would find proficient in the use of O/A.
Along the same lines, as little as 20 years ago, most body metal was cut using either hand shears or pneumatic shears. Heavier material was cut with a torch. Plasma is now the tool of choice and a good one at that.
I think the biggest thing that led to the "demise" (if you want to call it that) of O/A in body repair, was when shops went away from the use of lead and moved to plastic body fillers (bondo). Watching an "old timer" shape lead with a torch and a spoon was like watching an artist at work. Heck, I've probably still got a couple hundred pounds of "lead sticks" in the shed. I never got proficient at it (age 6-10) but my uncle was one of the best. He and my dad built a 2 seat "sports car" using a '53 Merc frame. Pretty "far out" when it was built (won numerous awards). Car must have had 500# of lead in it. (I'm sure the fuel mileage sucked by today's standards).
Nuff said.
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