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  • 6013 & 7024 Uses

    hello. new to welding here and would like to know what and where the use for E6013 & E7024 rod would be used ?
    the data sheet says both are light penetration.
    where in welding would you want light penetration ?
    the beads are very nice flowing, pretty, and the slag cleans up real easy, as compared to, say, E6010.
    thanks for the help.....
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  • #2
    I use the 6013 to cap my 6010 welds. You are 100 % right it flows much better than 6010 & does a great job of finishing up some uglies

    I don't use , or should I clarify, have not had a spec for 7024.

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    • #3
      7024 uses

      I used a lot of 7024, when ever the spec was 70xx and flat position. This rod burns almost 3 times faster then 7018 and leaves a beautiful bead and almost chips itself.
      I once helped a friend with a job he had with a local collage earth quake center making a frame to be tested, he brought his shop machine as they had electric available an ran flux cord I used 3/16 7024 and we raced to see which was faster. believe it or not I finished my side first I was able to set up and move faster, if he was using a suitcase he would have finished first because he lost time moving and setting up but 7024 is great for flat.
      I also used it when bracing for bore pits and tie ins on sewer and water jobs. I could make a frame using 12 in. h beam in about 1 1/2 hour by myself and knock 15 min off that if I could get a loader operator to make the lifts and I lined up the beam's for welding. This was a much faster way then building the frames in the hole using 7018 but most Jobs went that way as they would usually put the sheeting in ahead of the pipe crew.
      This rod likes to run hot and I think it runs a little smother on ac but my experience was with 1970s machines the newer machines run 7018 much smoother then the older ones did I am comparing 1972 trailblazer I bought new to a 251 tb I got used not sure of the year but after 2000 it runs 7018 better then anything I have ever used including sa200 Lincoln.

      JIM

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      • #4
        Originally posted by FABMAN View Post
        where in welding would you want light penetration ?
        .
        Sheetmetal, thin wall tube, etc.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PUMPKINHEAD View Post
          Sheetmetal, thin wall tube, etc.
          wow, you can weld sheet metal with 6013 and 7024 ?
          what would be the minimum thickness sheet metal you could weld these rods with ? hard to imagine welding sheet metal with arc welding, but like i said before, i am new to this, so thanks for all the help guys.....
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          • #6
            If you use the 1/16 6013 with EN straight polarity, you should be able to weld .032 or less. Both are Rutile covered [Titiania], but I believe the 7024 has Iron powder, which makes it so fast, known as a fast fill rod. Hopes this helps, Paul, by the way, some folks poopoo 6013 rod, but read the specs, it is just as strong as 7018 in certain applications, just not low hydrogen.
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            • #7
              Concerning 60xx or the 70xx rods, the 60 refers to 60,000 pounds, and the 70 refers to 70,000 pounds. And like wise for the 100xx rods.

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              • #8
                True on the tensile strength, but sometimes the 60xx is as strong as the 70xx, I was surprised reading strengths of different brand 6010 Rods, that is when I decided a lot of my expert friends/teachers weren't as knowlegeable as they pretended to be. Paul
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                • #9
                  I do not see how 60,000 psi tenstrenght can be stronger than 70,000psi tenstrenght.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Steve
                    I do not see how 60,000 psi tenstrenght can be stronger than 70,000psi tenstrenght.
                    Because that is not the only measure of "strength". How ductile a metal is, for example, can have a huge impact on whether or not it fails in a given application.

                    There are probably a dozen more factors that all add up to "strength" in one way or another.
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                    • #11
                      Oh I see, their 60xx classified rods exceed the specification.

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                      • #12
                        Steve,, now ya see, hope this all helps, Paul
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                        • #13
                          I just want my welds to act like parent metal.

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                          • #14
                            Bigdtig, Sorry for getting off subject, but, how bout that 1600 Ellis, I was using mine to cut 9" solid round 1020. I really like the ease of changing angles, I need to replace the wheels though, as the rubber has deteriorated to 3/4 of an inch, so it is 3/4 blades for me at the time being. It is amazing that it weighs 750lbs, cause it sure looks light weight sittin there, how does their drill press stack up? best regards, Paul
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                            • #15
                              Steve, as an example, this is ESAB Sureweld 10P Plus which is a 6010 rod, I copied this from their site, look at that tensile strength. Paul

                              Typical Mechanical Properties
                              As Welded
                              Yield Strength 67 ksi, 465 MPa
                              Tensile Strength 79 ksi, 550 MPa
                              Elongation in 2" 29 %
                              Typical Charpy V-Notch Impact Properties
                              Testing Temperature 0ºF (-18ºC)
                              As Welded 27 ft.-lbs., 37 J
                              Testing Temperature -20ºF (-29ºC)
                              As Welded 22 ft.-lbs., 30 J
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