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[fun4now]

i was also wondering about the black pipe having rust isues, even the best systems seem to end up with moisture in them and was wondering how long it would be befor this presented an problem?? considering it would be an internal isue you would have no warning befor a rupture and would likely need to replace the intire system atthe first sign of truble.
i also saw a realy cool systen of coverd aluminum pipeing on one of the truck shows but cant remember the name of it. but it looked like an easy install with lots of conector options. it might also be werth looking into but the $ will likely be high.
also a flexible conector between the compressor and the air pipeing is also a good idea, it will keep the vibrations of the compressor from being transferd into the lines witch can cause eventual failure due to excesive shaking. a small pice of hydrolic line about 1 foot long should do a nice job of this and you likly have some around the shop from the looks of all your toys.
i think i would go with the grey PVC, no rusting isues to deal with and easy to asemble as well as low wait for simpler hanging.
i have been planing on moving my compressor motor up into the atic also to keep down the noise. and plan on adding a condensation loop when i make the move. i have seen some realy simple systend made out of 3" piping also that might be an option. i'll look around for some pic's of that type for ya.

[frank865]

I don't consider using the schedule 80 PVC to be cutting corners. I wanted the best I could get for my new shop when I built it in 92. After considering all the factors I could think of, I chose the PVC over black iron pipe or copper.
The last shop I was in before this one had copper, & it was OK but seemed a little fragile, I had to do several repairs while I was there. I almost went with the black iron, but have seen internal corrosion problems with it, sometimes within 5 - 10 years after new installations.
It's your shop, use what you want. I'm very happy with the schedule 80 PVC, & don't consider that I cut any corners to use it. But if somebody else wants to use another system.....That's why they make chocolate & vanilla! They all work. Weigh your needs & wants & make your decision. I did & I'm pleased with it after over 10 years or not always gentile use.

Another thing to consider putting in your air system is a condensing loop. PileBuck has one in his system, I saw it in a picture he posted a few days ago.
I didn't use one, but if I was going to do much painting, I'd add one.
HTH

[J hall]

As nice as your shop is going to be, I wouldn't cut corners on air piping.
I would definitely use black steel pipe with water drains on all the drops.
Get rid of any pet****s in the system and use small ball valves.

censor software is fun.....I sometimes have trouble figuring what people are saying when there are sveveral**** in a row..I was referring to the small cheap brass turn valve like come on a compressor.

[fun4now]

whatever you pipe it with keep it large to allow more flow volume. some of the air tools really want the air and a large feed line really helps with your over all air volume available. my fathers shop has had the grey pipe in for about 7 years with no problems. just be shore to keep a shut off valve at the tank in-case you hit and break a feed line.
copper sh-our would look nice though. i suppose the lil dog would have to polish it every few weeks though.

[MintSScout]

I would use the heavy black cast iron gas pipe. The bigger the piping is the bigger you're tank is in the end.

[frank865]

I use 3/4 inch schedule 80 gray PVC in my shop (several local industries do also)
I ran the main supply high & at the drops, position the tee pointing up then use 2 90 degree elbows to bring it down. At the bottom, use a tee & elbow for the tap then a few inches of drip leg & a water drain (I use 1/4 inch ball valves). Also I put a drain/drip leg in the vertical riser, & put about 1/4 - 1/2 inch per foot slope in the high supply line. I've had mine in place for over 10 years with no problems & no water in the lines. (I still use a MotorGuard filter in the line for the plasma cutter though!)

[Bulldog]

Hey guys,
Well I guess I have the electrical just about figured out, (with some good ideas from some of you guys) now how about the air... I was planning on running black 1" steel with 3/4" drops, but what about that gray plastic that I've seen around is it any good? How about copper? It would sure look nice. (For a while anyway). I don't have a big shop so it won't be an overly expensive undertaking. What do you guys use?
Thanks,
Bulldog

[fun4now]

i have a small front door type light outside my shop door on a photo sensitive switch with a little screw in floresent light, uses almost no power and i can always find my key and the lock in the night when i need to.

[Bulldog]

Hey guys,
I just wanted to update ya all. We poured the concrete today things went pretty good. We had the perfect day for it sunny and about 50 deg f. Not alot of wind which is very unusual for us up here on the hill. I have alot of the electrical done. I'm using 8 - 110 watt high output floresents. Man talk about bright!!! As far as the outlets go I have 5 boxes (4 plugs each) on each wall. I haven't installed any 220 outlets yet I don't really know where the equipment is going to end up. I picked up the new coal stocker on Wednesday. If the concrete is ok I'll have that hooked up on Sunday.
Thanks for the good advise Portable/Frank. I agree that you can't have to many outlets. I'll keep ya posted on our progress. The pics are of the crew (and The Little Bulldog of course)placing the concrete
See ya,
Bulldog

[frank865]

Nice shop Bull Dog, I see you have already liner paneled it, I really like the colors you picked.
Id like to make a few recommendations to you on the electrical.
I finished my shop a year and ten months ago. and I like you ran my electrical on the outside of the walls in conduit. My shop is 38' wide x 40' deep with 16' ceilings. I have a 200 amp single phase panel
I have 18 boxes for my 110 volt power that has two plugs each, I ran five 50 amp 220v outlets for my mig welders, two 30 amp 220v for the air compressor and the iron worker one 20 amp for the phase converter to run my drill press and one 100 amp outlet for the tig welder.
This may sound like alot but it gets used up very quickly.
Dont forget an outlet and a switch to have a light outside over the door, if your going to have a furnace youll need an outlet for that.
A ceiling fan makes a huge difference to push the heat down out of the ceiling, I thought I was going to need two fans but found one commercial fan is more than enouph.
If your going to have a bathroom and an office in your shop I found that the cheap little electric heaters that cost $ 40.00 at home depot with a built in thermostat work great for keeping the office and the bathroom heated instead of having to heat the whole shop on the days when your doing office work.
You will also find that the office gets hot in the summer so your going to need an out let for the air conditioner.
In the bathroom I also put another circuit so I can operate a 6 gallon hot water heater.
You may want to put your air compressor in a loft so you will need a plug up high in that area.
You just cant have enouph electrical and with your bigger shop you will find that you buy more tools and its nice if the power is already there.
I would also recommend using larger conduit than you need because you will eventually want to pull an extra circuit through it.
Im sure you know about most of these things, just trying to make you aware of some of the things that I had not thought about before hand.
Good luck your shop looks great and the view from way up there is worth a million bucks.

All good advice here, just wanted to add, for your outside light, use a timer switch. They'll fit where a regular switch does, but you can twist it when you leave, & have light to get to your truck, or the house, then it'll turn itself off. Just a simple thing, but it really makes it nice on those late, dark nights!
HTH

[Portable Welder]

Nice shop Bull Dog, I see you have already liner paneled it, I really like the colors you picked.
Id like to make a few recommendations to you on the electrical.
I finished my shop a year and ten months ago. and I like you ran my electrical on the outside of the walls in conduit. My shop is 38' wide x 40' deep with 16' ceilings. I have a 200 amp single phase panel
I have 18 boxes for my 110 volt power that has two plugs each, I ran five 50 amp 220v outlets for my mig welders, two 30 amp 220v for the air compressor and the iron worker one 20 amp for the phase converter to run my drill press and one 100 amp outlet for the tig welder.
This may sound like alot but it gets used up very quickly.
Dont forget an outlet and a switch to have a light outside over the door, if your going to have a furnace youll need an outlet for that.
A ceiling fan makes a huge difference to push the heat down out of the ceiling, I thought I was going to need two fans but found one commercial fan is more than enouph.
If your going to have a bathroom and an office in your shop I found that the cheap little electric heaters that cost $ 40.00 at home depot with a built in thermostat work great for keeping the office and the bathroom heated instead of having to heat the whole shop on the days when your doing office work.
You will also find that the office gets hot in the summer so your going to need an out let for the air conditioner.
In the bathroom I also put another circuit so I can operate a 6 gallon hot water heater.
You may want to put your air compressor in a loft so you will need a plug up high in that area.
You just cant have enouph electrical and with your bigger shop you will find that you buy more tools and its nice if the power is already there.
I would also recommend using larger conduit than you need because you will eventually want to pull an extra circuit through it.
Im sure you know about most of these things, just trying to make you aware of some of the things that I had not thought about before hand.
Good luck your shop looks great and the view from way up there is worth a million bucks.

[Coalsmoke]

its not about protecting it, well the gage covers are good for keeping paint overspray off the faces as well as other stuff. but the tank covers are just to cover up the tanks they give you when they swop them out, some of them look like they been dragged threw the city dump. i got a big suprise when i painted one and almost had to buy a rental tank, so painting it is out . if you have a nice clean shop, and new welder and then you have this POS sitting behind it just looks bad. some things are purly for looks, the tank cover falls into that one. we cant controle the tank they give us but we can do something about its looks when we get it home.

That's a good enough reason for me. power to ya

[Bulldog]

Hey guys,
Well I haven't been keeping up I guess I didn't see the last couple of posts. Hey is that my mm350 cover James? It looks good.
I'll have a few more pics soon of the shop we're placing the concrete tomorrow (Fri).I got the lights in and outlets along the walls so next week this time I should have some equipment in so I can start running the 240 volt elec. lines.
See ya,
Bulldog

[fun4now]

its not about protecting it, well the gage covers are good for keeping paint overspray off the faces as well as other stuff. but the tank covers are just to cover up the tanks they give you when they swop them out, some of them look like they been dragged threw the city dump. i got a big suprise when i painted one and almost had to buy a rental tank, so painting it is out . if you have a nice clean shop, and new welder and then you have this POS sitting behind it just looks bad. some things are purly for looks, the tank cover falls into that one. we cant controle the tank they give us but we can do something about its looks when we get it home.

[Coalsmoke]

Fun, I know you like covering stuff, and I use a cover on my TB, so I can't talk, but ......... protecting the tank