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  • #16
    Originally posted by MAC702
    Speed has nothing to do with class.
    Not sure what kind of "class" you're talking about!

    Yo' buddy Jack Roush couldn't build a motor that would last a entire race-sooooo- he combines with Robert Yates Racing, Rowdy shows 'em how to build a motor-gets absolutely NOTHING in return from Roush or Ford. Just plain screwed him over, word is Yates may defecting back the Bowtie boys. Now that is "class" !

    The guy that started this thread did want to talk motorsports, didn't He?

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    • #17
      Jeff Gordon is cocky. JMHO. The real champ in my book was Dale Ernhart, Sr and he was also a cocky something or other.
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      • #18
        It may have been talked to death before, but I've not seen it...
        When is NASCAR going to fuel injection? No "stock car" has had a carburetor for 20 years.
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        • #19
          speaking of nascar,,anybody besides me pissed that they are letting toyota into the cup? Figured i`d stir up up some poo....

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bill5674
            speaking of nascar,,anybody besides me pissed that they are letting toyota into the cup? Figured i`d stir up up some poo....

            i don't have a problem with it.

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            • #21
              We're talking about the same Toyotas that have been made in the US by UAW union workers for the last 20 years, right?

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              • #22
                If they go to fuel injection they will have to make the fuel cells smaller. It will improve milage and Nascar IMO wants fuel stop strategy to be part of the game. Also It will be a huge learning curve for the cheaters and the Nascar police. OOOPS. They dont cheat in Nascar do they.lol.

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                • #23
                  Fuel injection would throw a big hump into the learning curve alright...But come-on...Carbs are 25 years out of date...Drag them into the modern world.

                  It's only cheating if they get caught isn't it???
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                  • #24
                    I think Fuel injection would be cool but it would take a lot of money for all that new technology to be introduced competitively. Yes carburetors are 25 year old technology but they have gotten better in those 25 years. Toyota in NASCAR is definetely stir up a lot. Correct me if i'm wrong but i dont think their motor is a pushrod, or is it? I cant remember.

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                    • #25
                      Porsche is planning to compete in NASCAR, should be interesting..........

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                      • #26
                        The last I heard was that Toyota had to design a pushrod engine to be eligible. I thought even the trucks were running pushrod engines right now.

                        Dodge is the only outfit still SELLING pushrod engines, aren't they?

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                        • #27
                          They will never make the move to injection. Way too easy to cheat it up. Carbs are simple and easy to tech, let alone FAR cheaper than an injection set-up. By the way, what did I miss? Richard Childress is a very classy guy.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by MAC702
                            The last I heard was that Toyota had to design a pushrod engine to be eligible. I thought even the trucks were running pushrod engines right now.

                            Dodge is the only outfit still SELLING pushrod engines, aren't they?
                            Every current GM V8 with the exception of the Northstar is a pushrod engine. there's nothing inherently wrong w/ pushrods, it allows for a far more efficient package. just compare size and outputs of the Ls7 Corvette engine to any OHC V8 engine.
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                            • #29
                              Thanks, Bretsk! Glad I asked.

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                              • #30
                                TOYOTA-

                                The Toyota engine has the same general specs as the other brands. Pushrod, single cam, single carb, cast iron block..... They are close in dyno numbers at the rest. One of the guys that worked for me for a couple years was hired by NASCAR as an inpector. The real scoop is that the Toyotas are very close in hp. Only between 4-12 hp difference. At every race, NASCAR brings a chassis dyno in to check the top finishing cars and trucks. They use these numbers to keep a check on all the teams hp performance and make sure that one brand doesn't have a total overall advantage.
                                As for Yates and Roush.... It was ONLY a merger of the engine department that was wanted by both Yates and Roush. Yates didn't want any chassis help from Roush and both teams get the same wind tunnel data from ford. So when all those years when Roush had to win by making the chassis turn better in the middle of the corner instead of just HP, they naturally got even better when the engine merger occured. Remember, Matt Kenseth won the championship with Roush engines BEFORE the Roush/Yates deal took place. Can't fault a team for doing it's homework. Roush has more engineers than any team. I know, I have to deal with them

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