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  • #16
    if wire speed tracking is such a helpful feature to have, how come my MM 210 or the MM 251 I use own doesn't have this feature? It seems if it was such a great feature, Miller would put it on all there units.

    probly because they put the WST on it to help the begining welder, and they figure if you are buying a 200+amp welder you probly have it well under controle and most likely will be more skilled in the first place. again the WST is to help the les expereanced welder and the extra expence of adding the WST is not justified or deemed nesesary.
    thanks for the help
    ......or..........
    hope i helped
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dan
      Just one question here, if wire speed tracking is such a helpful feature to have, how come my MM 210 or the MM 251 I use own doesn't have this feature? It seems if it was such a great feature, Miller would put it on all there units.

      How about adding the passport? It's Millers litte flagship welding machine
      and it has the same type of WFS adjustment as the SP175 plus.
      Makes you wonder what Miller was thinking??? Maybe they figure
      if you pay more for a unit, you now deserve the right to adjust it where
      you want it?? I gues it's just a case where less is more!!

      I am pretty sure the next version with a switch to turn off the
      WST, will show the difference to people that do not think
      there is a difference.

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      • #18
        Now that you guys have me thinking, i can remember from the weldpak 155 i used that there is a diffrence. I notice what you guys say that without wst you can get a slightly smoother arc. Meaning you can more easily hit the narrow but sweet spot on the lincoln. With the miller you get a much wider spot that isn't quite as smooth sounding as i remember the red one being. What got me thinking was that i rarely seem to be far off with the miller and i always seem to get good beads. That was not the case with the weldpak. The lincolyn was touchier but a little smoother. I guess its a matter of whats right for you. The wst i find very convenient, I never have to try hard to get the machine dialed in. Without it you will have to work a little harder but might get a smoother arc. I don't see any problems with the arc quality of my miller except that i remember the red one if dialed in seemed smoother. I find wst keeps me from fiddling or screwing up more. I'll take it.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Laiky
          Now that you guys have me thinking, i can remember from the weldpak 155 i used that there is a diffrence. I notice what you guys say that without wst you can get a slightly smoother arc. Meaning you can more easily hit the narrow but sweet spot on the lincoln. With the miller you get a much wider spot that isn't quite as smooth sounding as i remember the red one being. What got me thinking was that i rarely seem to be far off with the miller and i always seem to get good beads. That was not the case with the weldpak. The lincolyn was touchier but a little smoother. I guess its a matter of whats right for you. The wst i find very convenient, I never have to try hard to get the machine dialed in. Without it you will have to work a little harder but might get a smoother arc. I don't see any problems with the arc quality of my miller except that i remember the red one if dialed in seemed smoother. I find wst keeps me from fiddling or screwing up more. I'll take it.
          There you go, now you understand were my view point is coming from on these units. I don't want a unit that gets you close and then takes more fiddling to get it right. I'd rather have a unit that lets you know when your dead on. For me, units like my my MM 210, Lincoln SP 175+, and ESAB Migmaster 250 or the MM 251 that i use to own, allow me to produce there most highest quality arc possible in a shorter time frame. Close enough just doesn t seem to cut it for me. If I can't get the unit to lay down weld metal on 1/8",(in a short time frame) at least as spatter free as shown in my attachment it isn't going to hang around very long. My MM 210, SP 175+ and ESAB MM 250 are all capable of producing welds to this quality level. BTW, that weld was produced using my MM 210.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by fun4now
            probly because they put the WST on it to help the begining welder, and they figure if you are buying a 200+amp welder you probly have it well under controle and most likely will be more skilled in the first place. again the WST is to help the les expereanced welder and the extra expence of adding the WST is not justified or deemed nesesary.
            I was thinking that the WST was to help the begining welder, I am pratically a beginer myself so it probably will help me So I guess it's settled, MM175 it is! There was no doubt in my mind that I would go for blue. Blue is my favorite color anyway
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Arcburn
              Blue is my favorite color anyway
              Funny. Yellow is mine. I had no problems going for all DeWalt in my shop, but when I went out to buy my first welders, Esab wasn't exactly a household name, though I had run their plasma cutters before. I did a bit of research because I would have gone all Esab, BUT then I found out that they didn't sell their engine-drives in North America, only Europe. So then I had to decide between Red and Blue. Well, it was fate after that. So now yellow and blue are my two favorite colors.

              There is no question that the Lincolns are great units in this class of machine. To be honest, they may be the best if the arc starts are as good as Dan says they are (I've never doubted him.) But, I was very happy with my MM175 and would buy another one. WST was never an issue, even after I learned it had it. I suppose it could be if I had the type of shop where I needed to adjust the machine frequently for lots of special jobs, but then if I was doing that, I'd probably budget a MM210 for that particular workstation.

              Hey Dan, a friend of mine does auto body and just got a Lincoln SP-175T. No, he didn't consult me first! Anyway, he wants me to help him on a shakedown cruise. Anything you want me to do specifically to compare with your notes on the + Model? He's just an occasional user so I'll be showing him all the things the machine can/can't do. I'll take a few solid and cored wires with me and probably some CO2, maybe some C3 for stainless if I feel up to it. He's got C16.

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              • #22
                This was my first weekend with my new MM175. After many years of pretending to weld with the Dan Mig unit at my shop (the one the employees abuse on a daily basis), I have seen the light. I can't believe the difference in my mig welding. This little machine is fantastic compared to what I was using. It's well worth it.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MAC702
                  Funny. Yellow is mine. I had no problems going for all DeWalt in my shop, but when I went out to buy my first welders, Esab wasn't exactly a household name, though I had run their plasma cutters before. I did a bit of research because I would have gone all Esab, BUT then I found out that they didn't sell their engine-drives in North America, only Europe. So then I had to decide between Red and Blue. Well, it was fate after that. So now yellow and blue are my two favorite colors.

                  There is no question that the Lincolns are great units in this class of machine. To be honest, they may be the best if the arc starts are as good as Dan says they are (I've never doubted him.) But, I was very happy with my MM175 and would buy another one. WST was never an issue, even after I learned it had it. I suppose it could be if I had the type of shop where I needed to adjust the machine frequently for lots of special jobs, but then if I was doing that, I'd probably budget a MM210 for that particular workstation.

                  Hey Dan, a friend of mine does auto body and just got a Lincoln SP-175T. No, he didn't consult me first! Anyway, he wants me to help him on a shakedown cruise. Anything you want me to do specifically to compare with your notes on the + Model? He's just an occasional user so I'll be showing him all the things the machine can/can't do. I'll take a few solid and cored wires with me and probably some CO2, maybe some C3 for stainless if I feel up to it. He's got C16.


                  Mac,

                  I used one the other day. Stick with C-25 with that machine.
                  It real easy to dial in and just make sure the drive rolls are lined up
                  right. They are kind of cheesy with the allen screw setup on that unit.
                  It welds really close to the same as the plus model. With the tap unit
                  it is real fast to setup and is another reason that I think WST is not
                  needed at all. Wide range too. C-3 might be a little lumpy with the
                  amount of inductance on that machine. It will help keep you from burning
                  through as easy.

                  I'm going in tomorrow and hook it up to C02, because my friend at
                  Airgas says they run nice on that gas. I will make a cheap passport
                  out of that unit. It will be interesting how it matches up to the
                  passport with CO2. It runs Esab corshield 15 very nice.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Scott V
                    Mac,

                    I used one the other day. Stick with C-25 with that machine.
                    I currently have both a C16 and a C25 in my stock of cylinders, but when dealing with Airgas, all they stock here is C16 as their "steel mix." Do you think there will be enough difference that I should bring my C25 and make a direct comparison to determine if he should go to a different gas house that will sell him C25 instead of C16?

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                    • #25
                      I just like the way C-25 wets out better. If you are only doing thin
                      bodywork then C-16 would be fine. Even Lincoln says C-20 to C-25
                      in the gases to use besides C02.

                      I only have C-25 and C-10 here so I can't really tell you if C-16
                      would be ok. I used C-10 and I would not recomend it. It will break
                      up earlier then the C-25 when you try to weld anything
                      thicker then .120/ with .030 wire. Think of straight CO2 and the voltage you have to run compared to C-25. The lower the content of C02 makes it want
                      to go globular earlier then a higher % of CO2. To me there is no real
                      reason to run C-16 in a little machine, other then burn through issues.

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                      • #26
                        Mac, 4 out of 5 grinders on my rack are dewalt now. lol The 5" makita is the lightweight one too @9A. The 7" big yellow didn't make the shot.

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                        • #27
                          Nice bead!

                          Dan, That really looks nice..i don't think my 250 will ever do that. Do you remember what your setting were?
                          regards, Farris
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                          • #28
                            what were you using?

                            Originally posted by Gary94
                            This was my first weekend with my new MM175. After many years of pretending to weld with the Dan Mig unit at my shop (the one the employees abuse on a daily basis), I have seen the light. I can't believe the difference in my mig welding. This little machine is fantastic compared to what I was using. It's well worth it.
                            Glad to hear you like your MM175..What size wire Etc. you using?
                            what were you using ?
                            Thanks, Farris
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                            • #29
                              Scott V

                              I am pretty sure the next version with a switch to turn off the
                              WST, will show the difference to people that do not think
                              there is a difference.


                              i dont think anyone said ther was no diferance, just that it was not a problem
                              thanks for the help
                              ......or..........
                              hope i helped
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                              • #30
                                Arcburn

                                I was thinking that the WST was to help the begining welder, I am pratically a beginer myself so it probably will help me So I guess it's settled, MM175 it is! There was no doubt in my mind that I would go for blue. Blue is my favorite color anyway

                                i'm shoure you will be verry happy with it.
                                thanks for the help
                                ......or..........
                                hope i helped
                                sigpic
                                feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. [email protected]
                                summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
                                JAMES

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