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  • #16
    Originally posted by J hall
    Straight from the innershield handbook, no less
    Hey, I’ve just been BSing you guys all this time. I’m a book-learned weldor

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    • #17
      what book is that and is there an online link to that source?
      Miller aerowave full feature
      Lincoln power mig 300 with prince gun
      dynasty 200 dx
      lincoln sp 135 plus
      302 trailblazer
      s22p12
      powcon starcut
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      • #18
        Well Dan I went to Lincoln’s web site, and they had me chasing my tail . I think you’ll have to get one from your LWS. Far as this vertical up technique, now remember this is just a suggestion. I personally think it is easier to do it this way, especially if you are going to be carrying a lot of iron.

        But, on a job in CA I had to hire 4 or 5 union pipe weldors for a project because I could not get any pile drivers to pass a structural x-ray test. When I was in the process of signing these pipe weldors up, they all expressed concerns about running NR-212 wire or even a wire feeder. Most of them hadn’t run a wire feeder since their apprenticeship. Majority of their career had been Tig, and SMAW. I explained it would not be a problem I would take them out to the welding booth and give them a crash course. Once we got set up in the welding booth. I showed them this vertical up technique. All I got from them was WTF! So I said you guys practice until you think you got it, come find me and I’ll call for the refinery’s welding inspector. About 20-minutes later one of them comes into the office and said they were ready. Then it was my turn, WTF! Went out to see, told one of them to let me watch him run a vertical. He did it azz backwards to what I had showed him. But it was one of the best looking vertical welds I had seen in years. Ask if every one of them was ready. Only because I was catching a lot of sheet form the refinery, I had tested 12 guys up to this point, and every one of them had failed. Inspector shows up with the test plates, these pipe weldors complete their tests in under 2-hours. Again WTF! I had pile drivers take up to 12-hours, and still failed the test.
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        • #19
          That's the same book I have. Mine is from 1984. The lincoln website has a place to order publications, but it would probably be easier to just get on the phone.
          If you plan on a lot of innershield in your future, it is a good book to have.
          Jeff

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          • #20
            Sad thing is a lot of those good manuals are no longer printed...not replaced, just no longer available. I have a stick welding guide that I suspect is much like that one and it is no more as well. Picked it up in '87.
            Don


            '06 Trailblazer 302
            '06 12RC feeder
            Super S-32P feeder

            HH210 & DP3035 spool gun
            Esab Multimaster 260
            Esab Heliarc 252 AC/DC

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            • #21
              I would be curious to know the techniques you used and the what the pipe welder used for the verts . i ran some test plates yesterday and all seemed ok but still havent decided on a good technique for the cap any suggestions as the cap is approx 3/4" wide .as soon as i get a chance i will bend the test coupons and see how the did for me that is really the only way to tell. also do they have a ssfc wire similar or the same properties as 7018?
              Miller aerowave full feature
              Lincoln power mig 300 with prince gun
              dynasty 200 dx
              lincoln sp 135 plus
              302 trailblazer
              s22p12
              powcon starcut
              cp 400 metal spray

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              • #22
                I personally do the same thing as the Lincoln Innershield book shows, I build a ledge first. Pointing the gun up hill just a touch. Soon as the ledge is established I bring my arm / shoulder up. And point the gun down just a touch. Now those pipe fighters did the old tried and true method like everybody else does for running 7018, they pointed the gun up hill just a touch from start to finish.

                Now if I had my choice, for general fab work I’ll take Hobart’s 21-B over NR-211, and 212. But if memory severs 21-B has no Charpy impact rating! I could go look it up, but I’ll wait and see if you need that

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                • #23
                  i think the test is with 21b 1/16 . what method were you doing for your cap?
                  Miller aerowave full feature
                  Lincoln power mig 300 with prince gun
                  dynasty 200 dx
                  lincoln sp 135 plus
                  302 trailblazer
                  s22p12
                  powcon starcut
                  cp 400 metal spray

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by dandimand
                    what method were you doing for your cap?
                    All depends what mood I’m in Sometimes I run stringers all the way, other times I run a weave for the cap. I guess you could say if I’m hitting on all 8-cylinders that day I run a weave. If it’s one of those days I’ll take the easy / slam dunk, and run stringers.

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                    • #25
                      Sadly, 21-B, 211 and 212 all have no impact ratings.
                      Don


                      '06 Trailblazer 302
                      '06 12RC feeder
                      Super S-32P feeder

                      HH210 & DP3035 spool gun
                      Esab Multimaster 260
                      Esab Heliarc 252 AC/DC

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by dandimand
                        i think the test is with 21b 1/16 . what method were you doing for your cap?
                        Dan, it might be in your ineterest to double check that. I was talking with an instructor yesterday and he said that the CWB was with .045. I'm going to start preparing and challenge my level C this summer
                        hre

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