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  • HAWK
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    Until something better comes along I will stick with the Hobart QCL. It really fits my needs well! If you have any recommendations on a good replacement for Lincoln Innershield in 5/64" 44lb spools, please let me know. I am over Lincoln's non caring attitude!

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  • BCarlucci
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    It's funny how Lincoln says their product is great but you gotta buy it to try it. As for the L-56, maybe it's the pallets they're sending us, but this customer is having issues with the wire, called the Lincoln Rep and has yet to show up at my shop. And the customer even called him. But the customer won't change from L-56, he loved it before this spooling problem and still says it's worth it.

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  • HAWK
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    Small price to pay...

    flash_burn,


    I have always seen that as a problem with Lincoln. They are typically not up for giving samples where most of the ITW companies, Hobart included, will send a sample of just about anything! That is one reason Lincoln lost the majority of my business many years ago. I do use use their Innershield, but am seriously considering finding a Hobart or even ESAB self shielding 5/64" flux cored wire.

    Of course all I am looking for is a 10lb spool of MIG wire as my 12 RC will not feed a 2lb spool. To Lincoln that is a small price to pay for a new customer if the product is that good. Ya think?

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  • flash_burn
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    Hawk, for what its worth, I contacted the Lincoln sales dept (via e-mail). for a sample of their Super-Arc wire for tig filler. They said they didn't have any samples, although I should be able to obtain some at a distributor.

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  • HAWK
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    tigguy,

    Thanks for the info! I am about 10 lbs into my first spool of Hobart's QCL bare wire and as of this moment I would not trade it for anything! The spray is awesome and consistent as is the globular transfer and short arc. I run all modes wth 92% argon/8% CO2. I am running about 35% inductance with an ALT 304 "auto-line" predecessor of the XMT 350 and a ture CV 12RC. Things do change, but I am able to weld " crap" rebar cages and grates as the blueprints require for my contractors with ease! So far it beats anything I have tried!

    PS: If I could get a sample of Lincoln L-56 Superarc, then I would give it a shot for sure. I am always looking for the best product available regardless of cost. Money per pound is a mute point where quality and speed are the main components of interest.

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  • tigguy
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    70S-2 wire

    Hawk, I'm seeing varying responses and thought you could use a couple cents more. I read the part about the Lincoln L-56 Superarc. We use it pretty much exclusively at work and never have had a problem with it. I have been ordering it for a little over a year now and no problems. Beads wet in real nice with either a MM210, 250X, or 251. I've also used Hobart's QCL and have not nice words to describe it. Hobart's HB18 ran fairly well also but the L-56 is slightly cheaper and wets ever so slightly better. Good luck in whatever direction you go.

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  • Gary
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    Hey Hawk,
    From what i have read it seems like you had some problems at the begining of the roll and at the end. I don't think the wire will change on the same roll. I would check the drive roll condition and alignment, and also check to make sure the wire feeds through the liner freely. Have someone watch the drive rolls and the spool speed to make sure your drive rolls are not slipping.
    In a spray transfer mode the inductance setting will only have a slight effect on the start of the weld, once thr spray transfer starts the inductance setting has no effect. You can check this by having someone change it while you are welding.
    Gary

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  • BCarlucci
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    Thanks for the info Hawk, most of the guys in my area use the CU coated wire because they don't use enough of it, there are a few guys that use a lot of wire, but trying to get them to switch is like pulling teeth. Maybe i'll get in a spool of the QCL that your using.

    Thanks,
    BCarlucci

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  • HAWK
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    Originally posted by BCarlucci
    Hey Hawk,

    Ya i've heard of a few problems from Harris about where the wire is made. Currently we only get ours from their Italian Plant, nothing from china, to many problems with the chinese wire. So far the only wire we've gotten in that hasn't had problems is the Harris and Filler metals stuff, i had no idea Harris was bought out by Lincoln thanks for the update though. I have one customer that uses Lincoln Superarc L-56 and i've had to send back 12 spools out of one whole pallet because the wire was rolled wrong. I have a question for you though, why are you using Bare wire? I've seen it but never used it.

    Thanks
    BCarlucci
    I welded with it for a several years in a machine shop and never have like a coated wire since. Of course if you don't go through a lot of wire, it will rust. To me it burns cleaner and with less inductance than any other S6 wire on the market.

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  • HAWK
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    GTA/SPEC

    I spooled up 44lbs of the Hobart QCL and sprayed it with AR8 at 30 volts, 40% inductance, and 375IPM with the.035". It is a truly awesome wire. The rebar went together w/o any sputtering or spatter. I also ran some 6" spray welds connecting mounting plates from 3/8"x 4 flat bar to the 5/8" rebar. Beautiful spary beads. I like the Hobart QCL bare wire. I have never been a fan of CU coated wire and really like the National Standard .035 bare wire. However, I think the Hobart QCL has them beat!

    I will look into the steel MIX X as I have several jobs coming up soon if I don;t price myself out of the market due to rising fuel costs. I jumped my rate $10? hour this am and may have to do it again soon!

    Thanks for the tip!

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  • GTA/SPEC
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    Hawk, make sure to get Steelmix X, not just steelmix. It has a little more He.

    Radnor steel wires are made by lincoln. I think that its Murex grade, not L56

    There are only 2 import wires that i would recommend.

    Korea has a wire plant that produces an excellent quality wire, i was very suprised. The wire plant has an exclusive agreement with the local ship yard ( happens to be the biggest in the world)

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  • BCarlucci
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    Hey Hawk,

    Ya i've heard of a few problems from Harris about where the wire is made. Currently we only get ours from their Italian Plant, nothing from china, to many problems with the chinese wire. So far the only wire we've gotten in that hasn't had problems is the Harris and Filler metals stuff, i had no idea Harris was bought out by Lincoln thanks for the update though. I have one customer that uses Lincoln Superarc L-56 and i've had to send back 12 spools out of one whole pallet because the wire was rolled wrong. I have a question for you though, why are you using Bare wire? I've seen it but never used it.

    Thanks
    BCarlucci

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  • HAWK
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    Originally posted by GTA/SPEC
    Hawk,

    AWS Spec for Silicone in 70s series wires:

    S-6 - .8 to 1.15%
    S-2 - .4 to .7%

    S2 does have added deoxidizers like zirconium, aluminum and titanium
    It is better to run it short arc with Co2, ArCo2, ArCo2O2
    not recommended for spray

    S2 is not as forgiving as S6

    If you are bent on this spray thing, use S6 and get a bottle of SteelMix X from your local Airgas. The added helium really sweetens the spray.

    Will do. I am not bent on the spray thing it just seems like the best way to put together these rebar assemblies. I suppose it's the combo of AR8 and the lower silicon content causing me greif.

    With that in mind it is doing pretty darn good. I used about 10 more lbs last evening in the spray mode both tacking rebar and running beads on 3/16 x 1.5 x 1.5 angle iron.

    I have a 5 year lease on the AR8 bottle, but will see about a 330 of SteelMix too! I used to use the National Standard bare ER70S-6 in 44lb spools, but have recently decided to try Hobart's answer to that wire in their QCL series. I'll let you know. Thanks for the response.

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  • admweld
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    Hawk I,ve Run

    HAWK,I,ve run inweld but not in a long time.Have always run s6 due to the better forgivness factors.Lately at work they been using RADNOR brand which is new to me but i dont buy the stuff we use at work.I buy tri-mark or harris or ns. Being nosey how thick is the stuff your welding i have never used my mm250x at 30volts also i know the spray arc gives better penetration but it seems like theres alot of hype in this forum about spray arc opposed to short arc is it really that great ?if i was concerned about penatration i would probably just v it out with a grinder or go stick rod.

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  • bigdogjoe62
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    Harris/welco now owned by Lincoln electric most of the 70s-6 is made in italy now have had one bad spool in the last three pallets i got in

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