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  • smawgmaw
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    Congratulations on the new machine!

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  • Aeronca41
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    I think you will be very happy with it. Congrats!

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  • eacook1
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    I picked up the 190 this week. I will test it out tomorrow. I posted my 135 on Offer up for $400 firm. I have three inquiries and a guy coming out tomorrow.

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  • MMW
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    You will be fine with the 190. It is an upgrade from what you have. If you need a bigger machine in the future, sell it and get a bigger one. These small machines hold their value which is why it is hard to find a reasonably priced used one so you will can get most of your money back. Just get the 190 and don't over think it.
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  • smawgmaw
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    Originally posted by eacook1 View Post
    So with the responses here I feel comfortable buying the HH190, but now I am wondering if I should indeed get the 210. Bigger is better right?

    I looked up the current price difference at my local tractor supply which currently has the cheapest price on the HH190, on sale for $669. They sell the HH210MVP for $949. So that is 280 dollars more to go from 5/16 max thickness to 3/8. They both have 30% duty cycle but the 210 at a 20amp higher rating, so i guess it won't work as hard to do what I am doing. Again I mostly will be welding .120 wall tube, bumping up to 1/4 plate on occasion.

    I have no need for the dual voltage. I know people say "you never know when you might need that". My millermatic 135 has not left my garage in 15 years. I already have a 50amp 220 circuit for this new welder.

    Am I missing anything? Try to sell me on the 210.

    Here is a side by side on specs.

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    The 210 has a 3 year warranty where as the 190 only has a 2 year warranty. The 210 has more power, is dual voltage. In my opinion, I would spend the extra bucks for both of those assets.

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  • Aeronca41
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    I was fortunate enough to be able to buy one of the very last transformer MM211s when they were getting rid of them cheap to make room for the new inverter model. I then bought a second one about two years ago--found a very decent used one on CL for $600 with a nice homemade cart. Planned to keep it as a source of spare parts until I died or couldn't weld any more, and probably use it occasionally. However, my barber is an old car/motorcycle rebuilder/fixer and is always welding something. He wanted a better welder; I think all I saw in his garage was a 120v Hobart. He wanted a 211 in the worst way, but couldn't afford one. So, I sold it to him about a year ago and got my $600 back. Why should I have two when a great guy I know has none? Every time I get a haircut he tells me what he's been building. I'm glad he got it, and I have too many welders anyway, for a guy my age. If I find another one for that price, I'll let you know. I think in the last three-four years, I've only seen 3 (old) MM211s on CL in the hinterlands of southern NY/northern PA, and one was the one I bought. The others were priced like new ones. And I suspect there are a lot of them around here, with all the farmers and tinkerers. I think Ryan is right--people who have them keep them.

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  • ryanjones2150
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    The 211, especially the transformer model, is hard to come by on the used market it seems. I guess that means people like them. A friend of mine has one in his shop and I’ve used it a good bit, so I can see why they’re not popping up all over Craigslist and eBay.

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  • eacook1
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    Originally posted by ryanjones2150 View Post
    You could probably spend half that budget and get twice the size machine used.

    Sounds like you want the Hobart 190. I say get it. It has a small foot print and, by all accounts, runs pretty good..
    I really want a millermatic 211 but I haven't seen an of those used locally. I have only come across two millermatic 175s that were priced right for me. Maybe I am not looking in the right places or maybe its a SoCal thing. I do like the small size of the HH series. As far as bigger older welders I really don't know what to look for and I am limited on space. Many of the welders I see on craigslist and such look really beat up.

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  • ryanjones2150
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    You could probably spend half that budget and get twice the size machine used. So what if it’s 15 years old. Those old machines are still working while these news one seem to have all sorts of wonky issues. Not all of them of course. My big mig is an early 90s model and is a beast of a machine. Not sure what year model the feeder I just got is, but it’s a bad mammerjammer and welds flawlessly, almost certainly older than 15 years though.

    Sounds like you want the Hobart 190. I say get it. It has a small foot print and, by all accounts, runs pretty good.

    I agree with everything said about tapped voltage settings, too.

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  • Aeronca41
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    My two cents--you will most likely be very happy with the 190. I have to agree with those who say always buy the most power you can afford, and like others, when someone asks me what to buy, I invariably say the 210--I think it's the best bang for the buck in the world of welding today--but if you're sure you just don't need the MVP and the small amount of power improvement, I'd agree with Metjunkie--buy the 190.

    Seems like your mind has been put to rest on any concerns about tap switching vs variable voltage control--I'll just add a little reinforcement to the "don't worry about it" line of thinking. I'm pretty confident you won't find it to be a problem. In my estimation, it's much less of an issue than a tapped stick welder--they always seem to me that I want just a little more or just a little less, and I find myself compensating by changing arc length. As a result, I have never owned one--saved my money until I could get one with continuous current control when I bought my first one.

    However, with mig, you can fine tune the wire speed and adapt quite nicely. I switch back and forth between my old transformer MM211 (continuously variable voltage) and my REALLY old MM200 (uses voltage taps) welding from 16 ga tubing to 3/8 material, and just never have any issue at all. The nice thing about the Hobart compared to other small migs is that there are (I think) 7 voltage taps, as opposed to the average of 4 or 5 on many of the small machines, so it provides enough taps that can get pretty close to the ideal. Being a transformer machine vs inverter, it's going to be pretty much bulletproof. And if it does break, it's likely not going to cost a fortune to repair it. Go for it.

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  • Metjunkie
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    Eacook, if you're satisfied the 190 will do all you need to do, then by all means go for it. If and when the time comes, you could put that 280 dollar difference to use and add a spoolgun.

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  • MAC702
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    My HH210 is from before the MVP era. I've no experience with the HH190. I love my HH210. It does indeed do any thin sheet metal job I've ever asked of it.

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  • eacook1
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    I just noticed that on the 210 specs under "material thickness" it is rated 1/4-3/8, that must be a typo. I am pretty sure its rated down to 24ga. like the 190.

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  • eacook1
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    Originally posted by ryanjones2150 View Post

    But have you considered the used market for machines? Nearly all of my gear was obtained that way and I’ve never regretted it.
    I have been looking for a couple months, the only thing I have found in my price range is a MIllermatic 175 for $600. The Hobart seems better in that it will come with a full warranty and its not 15 years old.

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  • eacook1
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    So with the responses here I feel comfortable buying the HH190, but now I am wondering if I should indeed get the 210. Bigger is better right?

    I looked up the current price difference at my local tractor supply which currently has the cheapest price on the HH190, on sale for $669. They sell the HH210MVP for $949. So that is 280 dollars more to go from 5/16 max thickness to 3/8. They both have 30% duty cycle but the 210 at a 20amp higher rating, so i guess it won't work as hard to do what I am doing. Again I mostly will be welding .120 wall tube, bumping up to 1/4 plate on occasion.

    I have no need for the dual voltage. I know people say "you never know when you might need that". My millermatic 135 has not left my garage in 15 years. I already have a 50amp 220 circuit for this new welder.

    Am I missing anything? Try to sell me on the 210.

    Here is a side by side on specs.

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