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  • Aeronca41
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    These are terrible days for an old "buy American" guy like me, but the economics will force your hand. However, when there is no more american technology to pirate, we are all gonna be in trouble. Technology development costs money; pirating, not so much.

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  • MasterKwan
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    350ish for the hobarts control board. so 600 less than the lincolns
    It's a pretty simple board because it doesn't control voltage. Looks like it's just for controlling wire speed and the spool gun.

    If I was buying used, I'd lean toward a simpler machine like the 230 here. If I'm buying new, I'd probably get one with the features I want and just depend on the warranty. Things like this though are making me think my next machine will be Chinese so I can just toss it when it breaks and get a new one. $600-800 will buy you a complete 1/2 decent Chinese tig welder.
    Last edited by MasterKwan; 08-23-2019, 11:45 AM.

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  • caleb90
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    350ish for the hobarts control board. so 600 less than the lincolns

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  • Aeronca41
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    I should take back part of my last sentence above--there is a relatively low-tech circuit board in there that no doubt costs over a hundred bucks should you ever have to replace it, but certainly not thousands.

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  • Aeronca41
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    In my mind, it just comes down to how risk averse you are. You might buy the Lincoln and live happily ever after.....or it could die three days after the warranty is up. If it were me, for a hobbyist/side job investment, not a lot of money to be made.....I'd put on my old (almost everything I have is old now, especially my knees!) reliability engineering hat, and instantly conclude there is not even a decision to be made here--just buy the Hobart. Trust me, if you do all the reliability math, there is simply no decision to be made. Reliability engineering has lots and lots of equations that can make your head spin, but the bottom line is the predicted mean time between failures between the two machines cannot even be in the same ballpark, simply due to the parts count. And just to make it a little scarier, the mathematical probability that a single instance of a device will last until the average MTBF of the device is only 36.8%

    I made it a point to buy an old transformer MM211 on the closeout before the inverter 211's came out--I don't make a living with it, and a thousand dollar disposable just makes no sense at my age. I still like the MM200 better, but the MM211 is a great welder.

    On balance, I did spring for a Dynasty 200 a couple of years before I retired, and it's still running fine. If it dies, I will either figure out how to fix it myself, or sell it on ebay for parts. But I'm sure Ryan's sturdy and always-faithful Helga will still be tiggin' years after my Dynasty is in the scrap bin.

    But we're talking a whole different ballgame comparing a very fancy AC/DC tig machine that can do amazing tricks to a mig welder. If you're a gamblin' man, go for the bells and whistles. If you just want to weld, buy the Hobart. Virtually nothing in there you can't fix if it breaks. For dollars, not hundreds or thousands of dollars
    Last edited by Aeronca41; 08-22-2019, 08:24 PM.

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  • caleb90
    started a topic ironman 230 vs lincoln 256. here we go again

    ironman 230 vs lincoln 256. here we go again

    so ive posted a couple topics on my search for a good 250 amp machine. decided id wait till i found a good one used. well ive searched with 4 hrs of my location for a few weeks and cant come up with any thing. so i decided id just pick up a new ironman 230, called my local airgas and i can get one for about 1500 out the door. yes there cheaper online but id rather support local paychecks. i got thinking about lincoln with there 500 rebate going and with it i can get the 256 mp for about 1850 out the door. yes its not a miller but i was looking to keep my max price around 1500 and 1850 is pretty close. its a whole lost bigger the machine than the hobart. but here is my hang up, id be using them both for hobbiest/side jobs. if i made just 500 a year using them id be pleased. the robustness of the tapped setting of the ironman 230 make me lean to it because it will be running 30 years from now. but at the same token the extra power and infinet settings of the 256mp make it lean to that. but with electronics some thing will fail sooner or later, a pc board to control the lincoln run 800ish and whos to say they will be out there to purchase 10years or 15 years from now. thoughts and opinions please
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