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  • Franz©
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    As Beverly the fully Credentialed Hospital Plant Engineer said in 1998 when she delivered her report on the power failure and recovery; Both generators performed exactly to need and came on line within parameters. The facility went into Emergency operating condition. 12 minutes later the first machine shut itself down within parameters. 7 minutes after that the second machine shut down. That was within design parameters. The Hospital continued to operate in secondary EMERGENCY condition.

    I was paged and responded to the emergency

    Nice firemen under the leadership of Capt Ryan arrived to assist. It was determined the puttitats shut themselves down because they overheated and eggs sitting on the enclosures could cook in their shells. The nice firemen employed a special tool (Halligan bar) they carry on the big white trucks, and opened the louvers that had failed to open electrically. Other firemen brought hoses connected to one of the trucks into the generator room and poured water onto the big yellow engines to cool them so they could be restarted. Ia about half an hour we were able to manually restart one machine and shortly after we got the second running. The hospital returned to EMERGENCY condition 1 and continued to function until utility power returned..

    Both generators were shut down and the Cat dealer was notified of the unusual operation. The puttipetter from Cat is grinning from ear to ear and conducting machine inspections. We were unable to utilize the military gensets hauled in by the County as the Hospital has no connection provisions for such. I am working up apecs to accommodate that eventuality although the likelyhood of it occurring.

    The Board thought Beverly was brilliant, although several members noted she was expanding in an unflattering way.

    Two months later, Bev had left her position just days before the $187,000 bill arrived from Puttipower. Pistons, rods and liners ain't cheap and it costs money to put them in. It was clearly stated on the invoice the machines had gone over temperature because the louvers failed to open and the design engineer for the Hospital had saved a few bucks on construction electing to not add secondary engine cooling via public water supply.
    Also Noted, The Electrical Engineer who designed the system had the louvers connected to Utility power, NOT generator power.

    NOT stated, had Ryan and his IAFF boys employed a crescent wrench instead of a Halligan bar $40,000 of louver replacement could have been avoided.

    Yup, Engineers gonna save us from evil.

    I'll repeat, READ the BOOK for that machine. The machine is performing exactly to specification.
    Socratic learning is retained knowledge.

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  • Metjunkie
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    Yes, I would find another place to take it and request they allow you to watch what they do. As Franz and others here have stated, there are a lot of "techs" in the service industry that don't know their backside from a hole in the ground. But they have a piece of paper that says they do.

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  • aPoundFoolish
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    Originally posted by Metjunkie View Post
    did you actually watch them turn it on and weld with it?
    I did not. Another option here is to take it to another repair facility although the idea of this frustrates me to no end.

    One thing you are correct about is all the money and time dumped into getting this machine working...



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  • Metjunkie
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    Since you say,"it worked fine at the dealer", did you actually watch them turn it on and weld with it? I think you're throwing good money away, renting this and that, to see what other machines work on your outlet.

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  • aPoundFoolish
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    Next step on my list is to rent a smaller Lincoln 120/240v welder from Home Depot and see if that will run on my outlet.

    Let me know if anyone has any other thoughts for what to do next...

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  • aPoundFoolish
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    UPDATE: Welder does not work off a generator.

    I get the same behavior from the welder when connected to the generator as I do the wall outlet.

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  • griff01
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    Originally posted by ryanjones2150 View Post
    Before you start tearing that thing's guts out, take it to a friends house and plug it in. I know you said the Miller tech did that, but who knows what he really did.
    Good point.
    Several years ago, I had a SyncroWave 250 that developed a display problem. Machine welded ok it just didn't display amperage when set to AC. Before the warranty ran out, I had the LWS send it back for service.
    Machine was returned two weeks later, I take it to my shop and it had the same problem. I did notice the output selector was now on DC- instead of AC.
    Repeat the above sequence TWO MORE times.
    The last time, they sent back info that the machine did not have a problem and I needed to learn to operate and understand the controls.
    Yes I threw a fit and made the LWS wire up the machine in their building. They reluctantly did so and, bingo, there was the problem, just as I had stated.
    He called the Miller Tech line and the Tech (can't remember the name) said "yep, that's the main PC board and they shipped one to the LWS.
    Found out later, the repair center DID NOT EVEN HOOK UP THE MACHINE the last two times it was returned!!
    Point is that everything must be verified.
    It's really sad!

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  • ryanjones2150
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    Before you start tearing that thing's guts out, take it to a friends house and plug it in. I know you said the Miller tech did that, but who knows what he really did.

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  • Aeronca41
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    Sorry--too far to help out in person! I'm on the PA/NY border. Definitely an intriguing problem I could get into if closer,

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  • aPoundFoolish
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    Originally posted by Aeronca41 View Post
    Where are you located?
    I'm located near Chicago.

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  • aametalmaster
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    Originally posted by Franz© View Post

    ABSOLUTELY, somebody there till she finds a sucker to pasy her student loans might be able to *****y her screen correctly and get the answer IF it's in the screen.
    Nope Miller has real people that really know. I was in Miller sales i know. Call and ask for Kevin...Bob

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  • aPoundFoolish
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    Originally posted by Aeronca41 View Post

    EDIT: Never mind the serial number. There are only two manuals, and they really don't show much, which you already know.
    Correct, I've read both versions. There are minor mentions of the lights blinking to communicate an error but neither situation seemed to apply here.

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  • aPoundFoolish
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    Originally posted by Franz© View Post
    PLUG a gun in and see what the machine does.
    It works about as well with the gun plugged in as it does unplugged, which is to say, not at all.

    For my machine at least I get the same behavior regardless if the gun is plugged in or not.

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  • Franz©
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    Originally posted by aametalmaster View Post

    I would call Miller tech and ask them for sure....Bob
    ABSOLUTELY, somebody there till she finds a sucker to pasy her student loans might be able to *****y her screen correctly and get the answer IF it's in the screen.

    PLUG a gun in and see what the machine does.
    WTF are you going to do with it otherwise, use it for a base for a floor lamp?

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  • Aeronca41
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    Please forgive me if I missed these answers in this thread--didn't see them on a quick check

    Please post your serial number.
    Where are you located?

    EDIT: Never mind the serial number. There are only two manuals, and they really don't show much, which you already know.
    Last edited by Aeronca41; 06-20-2019, 04:01 PM.

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