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  • I didn't last a second post and they punted me? Not a football punt... soccor punted.

    http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/t...process.82468/

    Lol...those **** Brit's.
    I realize that education is a valuable thing....
    And I realize that talking text books and understanding don't always go hand in hand.
    But the so much for biscuit's kicked me off after one post.
    One post...? I sure hope I haven't offended you guys in the same way?

    A month back but I still lurk.
    They called my post spam? The reason why, I upset one of the previous commentators who replied?

    After logging in, I see a post about some kids effort, what do you think guys question? Well typing isn't my greatest strength, and you may not know it but typing up a long winded reply in layman's terms, start to finish explanation about GMAW, that takes work with two fingers.
    I do have them all, just type with two.

    I told the lad (see I pick things up fast) to not be discouraged with the negatives, those with out suggestion on how to improve, and focus in on understanding and applying the knowledge. then applying that knowledge with understanding to what you see when you squeeze the trigger squirting wire.

    It was 3 pass 3F,.035 solid wire, 75/25 mix gas, some foreign machine.

    Well, some where in there I said...ah... as my old man would say, leave the thinking for the horses cause they got bigger heads.

    LOL...Into my second post I got the first comment, referencing the above comment and how some might not like that, and we are talking minutes.

    Check out the forum...I'm sure a guy could spend all day there and half the night if he felt like typing?

    But I stop, look, wow, someone liked it. Cool. Go back to typing and things start to light up. This is 12 am mountain standard time...By the time I look again, I see Brad the Terminator is offended and reporting me.

    I go back to typing and hit send to discover I'm suspended.
    Then the message... bounced for spam.
    Saaay what???

    Well... No appeal, no red flag on the field... Bounced.

    I'm just saying, If I had called one of them a horses back side, I could see it. While maybe even rightly deserved in light of the critical nature of the comments, I didn't.

    So after a month, I'm sharing my shame.

    Anyways...I still lurk.
    And the Brit's, well they still got questions.

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    I read, somewhere, that there are people who are actually allergic to water. They have to be given it intravenously, or they have a life threatening reaction. It is so with casual speech, today. You never know what is going to offend someone, so the best practice is not to worry about it. When I was in training to be a social worker (glad that didn't work out), we were taught about people with extreme mental problems. Many have "trigger words" or "trigger phrases", commonly used words or expressions that trigger a massive reaction, usually fear or extreme, violent rage. We are seeing this increase in everyday conversation. As an example, I had an extreme feminist go off on me for using the word, "gal".

    My Dad had an expression for how to treat such people. "Pat 'em and let 'em go." Say something nice, turn away, move on, and don't look back.
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    I don't need to find myself. I'm always at my lathe.

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    • #3
      Brent used to say, "they will learn in spite of us".
      A preacher and a teacher of men. Out side having a smoke he'd pass by and say "if you were going to quit, today would be a good day".
      Never swore, got upset, nor did he ever treated people with less then decency, respect and kindness no matter the situation. When evaluating a weld, he'd always start with a positive, "this is looking good, or starting to take shape".
      A typical instructor response might be, "Well that's a dogs breakfast, turn the heat up, tighten the arc, change your rod angle, pause longer...go back to the booth and try again".
      You can build someone up, or you can knock them down. Well, I got punted? Meh?
      Anyways...some where between cradle and grave a person will face life. It's difficulties and what it has to offer them in the way of challenges. While I do believe we find our path to some degree on the choices we make and the paths we choose to follow, old age tells me that sometimes it's the obstacles we meet that change our direction and course.
      You'll find that with learning to weld.
      Speaking of which...the suggestion mentioned of the need for clean lenses, add the word clear in front.
      Scratched plastic sucks to look through even clean. It distorts and distracts the view. That and the tendency with a dirty lens is to position in closer in an effort to see more clearly to suck a lot more smoke?
      It's also the tendency if you use to dark of a shade of lens.
      Typically in purchase of a helmet we don't think of those as consumable costs, nor the continued cost to replace those parts. But it adds up. And some helmets do to proprietary issues have you locked in so to speak.
      In the old days of helmets, glass was used followed by an insulator gasket, then the shade lens, with maybe another behind to protect the tinted lens from damage if you had a flip front helmet and did a lot of grinding.
      A polycarbonate impact plastic lens should always be in place to protect the eyes when flipped up for viewing, chipping or for grinding.
      Now not to spend a lot of time debating the advancement of technology, or the good old days before photoelectric helmets became the rage, but welders used to replace them quickly, easily, cheaply and often as a matter of course in day to day operations.
      While you might not think so, vision clarity is a real obstacle/ hindrance learning to weld. When it comes to your helmet, I remember you mentioned fixed shade at one point? I could be wrong? I assumed that to be an adjustable but lockable to a specific shade, say 8-12?
      Point I'm getting along in making is the fear of blindness. We fear the light and think darker is better.
      That lens, your eyes.... Think light bulbs. 25watt, 60 watt, 100watt, 300 watt...
      Now look at a 60 watt light bulb. it's bright, maybe uncomfortably bright depending on how close you are, but...what you probably don't see besides a bright light is the filament glowing. If you put the welding helmet on and look, by switching shades the view gets dark or lighter. The filament appears because the lens had reduced the bright visible like to a more manageable level for your eyes. What a darker shade cuts out is visible light. The lens has for all purposes refractured the ultra violet and infra reds rays out, and your left with the brightness.
      So...if what I remember from your previous posts you were having some troubles seeing. Clean lenses will enable you to see clearly, but if things are to dark too see, you need more light not less. Switching down a shade might help.
      Thanks for your reply, that was good advice.
      Last edited by Noel; 06-13-2018, 02:59 PM. Reason: I posted the wrong picture so Ithis photo replace it.

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      • #4
        Once again I loose my post to computer purgatory. Oh well. Learn as I go. Thanks for your dad's expression. I'm using it here sadly...
        While my edit was to remove a picture I was posting, My wisdom was sadly lost. A couple try's of that and I got a pop up about spam and moderator for review? Could show up or It and I could be punted here as well??? If it doesn't show up and I don't get punted, if you think it might be worth repeating let me know. I won't promise it will be but, you never know?

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        • #5
          Noel, you're just a troublemaker!

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          • #6
            I'm going to say thanks! Really, I try to be good and behave myself. Something about turning 60, the tape measure getting shorter, and realizing I still have an opinion or advice to share. That and It's an impulse thing..
            If I think I can help make someone's effort a little easier I'm going to try. Ok, that and some advice I was given. Something about a fearful man with no confidence in himself keeping to himself what a man of confidence in himself openly shares.

            Not to get all Kumbaya here, but when it comes to welding, I never struggled to weld, that was the easy part, what I struggled with was understand why.
            But wide awake from a nap, I know why. The way it wasn't, and was explained.

            My first experience with welding was a AC transformer and a carbon arc electrode. Grade 10, high school industrial arts, circ. 1972. I mention that because in learning welding, it seems it's like the passage of time. Mile stones are remembered but the day to day, is missed. It's you learn this, and this, and this...but it's the details in between that's makes the story, paint the picture and those fill in the blanks.

            One of my previous post in the purgatory of this digital age held a quote. from an article.

            Arc Welding Neither Complicated Nor Difficult
            Pg. 30 The Iron Age
            May 30, 1940

            ACCORDING to J. F. Lincoln, president, Lincoln Electric Co., Cleveland, arc welding has too many doctors. An operation which is perfectly natural, very simple and very easily accomplished, has largely been changed in the minds of the public to an art which takes on the mystery of voodooism with an admixture of the art of the medicine man.
            The public is beginning to think that the welding operator is a cross between a miracle man and a professional musician. This opinion is groundless. The only thing that a welding operator can do is hold the end of the electrode at a certain distance above the deposited metal and advance it along the seem to be welded at a certain speed. Nothing more is involved in this operation. It is neither complicated or difficult. As a matter of fact, with the proper electrode, proper setting of the welding machine and proper preparation of the work, it is practically impossible to make a weld which will not stand up in service with out it so evident to the inspector that he would immediately reject it. It is possible to have defects in the steel that cannot be seen which will make the steel structure dangerous. It is impossible, however, to make a weld on that structure which is dangerous without it being obvious to anyone looking at the weld.

            The way I see it, if that guy thinks it's easy...Then I learnt it wrong. but the mystic...that pays the bills.
            Good night everyone.

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