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  • #31
    With an inverter based machine, there is always microprocessor control to an extent

    The 215 with the TIG package is ~$1700.

    https://www.weldersupply.com/P/1619/...215withTIGKitP

    You can add a spoolmate gun for a few hundred bucks more if you want to weld aluminum.

    Oh and I just found out, the 215 will indeed light up 6010 stick electrodes. Miller customer support had emailed me that it wasn't "recommended", but this guy seems to have been successful, without having had the machine a lot of time, so it seems very plausible.

    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...illermaitc-215
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    HTP Pro Pulse 300 MIG
    HTP Pro Pulse 200 MIG x2
    HTP Pro Pulse 220 MTS
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    HTP Microcut 875SC

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    • #32
      I have used 6010 on my maxstar 150 and no problems. 6011 would probably be better though. I'm sure it's a different doohickey inside there but it's still an inverter welder.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by H80N View Post

        Ask for Multimatic 215 Tech Support 920-735-4356 or 1-800-4-A-Miller (1-800-426-4553)

        Thank you! I will call them in the morning.
        If the 211 could do stick I would be fine with that and skip the display and the TIG capability. If the 211 wasn't so close in price to the 215 the decision sure would be a lot easier. I don't want to kick myself later over the small price difference. I can't imagine Tech Support telling me letting the thing get soaked with condensation will be OK but who knows, maybe they did take the fact that some of them live in a garage into consideration when they designed it.

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        • #34
          Update:

          I spoke with several Tech Support folks at Miller this morning and was transferred a few times but I finally got to someone who could address the question of condensation.

          The 211 and 215 have mostly the same main internals. They are designed to operate from something like -4 to 140 degrees Fahrenheit but can be stored in harsher temperature extremes.

          If you keep one in your truck when its very cold outside and then take it inside to do some work it will condensate. If it does they suggested letting it warm up BEFORE you use it. Once it gets up to temperature and you start it the heat from the unit should quickly dissipate any remaining moisture.

          NEVER use any welder that is wet from condensation.

          Bottom line is if the unit is over 140 degrees let it cool down before using. If its below -4 degrees or wet with condensation let it warm up before using.

          ​​​​​​​There it is.

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          • #35
            The SIL had to do a repair a few days ago in my cold unheated shop, he just flipped the switch on the MM251, did the repair and turned it off. It's been living outside since 2003. in 14 years it never once has caught a cold or the flu.

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            • #36
              I had to go to the local supply shop to pick up some parts for my cousin and they know I am looking for a new welder....

              They offered me two deals. They don't have a 215 and really want to sell me something in stock because they have had them a while.

              Deal 1
              Miller 211, Miller gloves, jacket and Infinity helmet. Miller cover and a bottle of nozzle dip. $1,451.79 and $150.00 Miller rebate
              Final price $1,301.79 plus tax

              Same deal as #1 with a Miller 215 (no rebate) comes to $1,714.00 + tax

              Deal 2
              Lincoln 210 MP, Gloves, Comparable helmet to Miller Infinity, welder cover, nozzle dip, small gas bottle (filled), welding sticks.
              Final price out the door $1,525.00 and will add TIG kit for $100.00 more.

              I like to buy US made and deal with a local distributor but the Lincoln deal seems really tough to beat and they swear its a great machine that I can return if I don't like it. Their trying hard to sell me on this!

              What do you guys think?

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              • #37
                Go with your gut brother. I think it's great you're trying hard to buy from the local guy. The Lincoln has a good reputation as far as I can tell, otherwise, we've already discussed it at length. As I understand, the tig package for the Lincoln isn't cheap, but don't quote me on that. I heard there is a piece of hardware you have to install in order to use a foot pedal. Again, I'm not a subject matter expert on it and I can't speak for the customer service Lincoln offers. I can speak for the Miller customer service and tech support. Of all industries and of all tech support I've ever dealt with, Miller is hands down the best, the friendliest and most thorough. That's pretty dadgum valuable if you ask me.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Old Guy View Post
                  I had to go to the local supply shop to pick up some parts for my cousin and they know I am looking for a new welder....

                  They offered me two deals. They don't have a 215 and really want to sell me something in stock because they have had them a while.

                  Deal 1
                  Miller 211, Miller gloves, jacket and Infinity helmet. Miller cover and a bottle of nozzle dip. $1,451.79 and $150.00 Miller rebate
                  Final price $1,301.79 plus tax
                  IMHO.... Get the Millermatic 211............. deduct the jacket & nozzle dip...............

                  .

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by H80N View Post

                    IMHO.... Get the Millermatic 211............. deduct the jacket & nozzle dip...............
                    LOL.... I can't. You must get them to get the rebate. Not the dip though.
                    Then I have to buy the tank and gas. They are bound and determined to sell me that Lincoln.
                    Last edited by Old Guy; 03-10-2017, 05:55 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Old Guy View Post

                      LOL.... I can't. You must get them to get the rebate.
                      Gotcha..............
                      .

                      *******************************************
                      The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                      “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                      Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                      My Blue Stuff:
                      Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                      Dynasty 200DX
                      Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                      Millermatic 200

                      TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                      • #41
                        I used that tip dip one time. As soon as I pulled the trigger all **** broke lose. Big ol spatter, porosity, just nasty. Maybe I used too much. I was so mad I tossed that plastic tub of tip dip into the art bin.

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                        • #42
                          Get the Lincoln if you are worried about saving money or simply bargain hunting.
                          They have an extended warranty (5 years) you can get on some products. Get that if you can.
                          I say quit monkeying around and insulate and heat your shop. You will wonder why in the heck you never did in the first place.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by ryanjones2150 View Post
                            I used that tip dip one time. As soon as I pulled the trigger all **** broke lose. Big ol spatter, porosity, just nasty. Maybe I used too much. I was so mad I tossed that plastic tub of tip dip into the art bin.
                            Yes you used too much. And you are supposed to dip it when the nozzle is heated up.

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                            Miller Dynasty 700...OH YEA BABY!!
                            MM 350P...PULSE SPRAYIN' MONSTER
                            Miller Dynasty 280 with AC independent expansion card
                            Miller Dynasty 200 DX "Blue Lightning"

                            Miller Bobcat 225 NT (what I began my present Biz with!)
                            Miller 30-A Spoolgun
                            Miller WC-115-A
                            Miller Spectrum 300
                            Miller 225 Thunderbolt (my first machine bought new 1980)
                            Miller Digital Elite Titanium 9400

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                            • #44
                              I knew that part. Maybe I should've taken the nozzle off and dipped it. I just shoved the whole dang thing down in there. Of course it was hot so it just schmooed all over that thing. I looked inside, didn't seem like it was packed. Guess it was. Maybe I'll get another tub and give it try without being a maniac.

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                              • #45
                                I dip it hot and let it drip back in. Then sling it off. I want a bit on the tip as well as the nozzle. But I don't want it to re-melt when I weld.
                                You may be a spray guy. Some folks like cooking spray. I don't use it much on aluminum. Mainly for steel.

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                                Miller Dynasty 700...OH YEA BABY!!
                                MM 350P...PULSE SPRAYIN' MONSTER
                                Miller Dynasty 280 with AC independent expansion card
                                Miller Dynasty 200 DX "Blue Lightning"

                                Miller Bobcat 225 NT (what I began my present Biz with!)
                                Miller 30-A Spoolgun
                                Miller WC-115-A
                                Miller Spectrum 300
                                Miller 225 Thunderbolt (my first machine bought new 1980)
                                Miller Digital Elite Titanium 9400

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