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  • clint738
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    Originally posted by tackit View Post

    the problem today is boys and young men are not taught to take care of their own things much less anyone elses, they put things away dirty and broken for the next guy that comes along to fix.
    tackit, I completely agree with you. No longer do they have the same level of respect for people or those people's property as their parents and grand parents once did.

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  • tackit
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    Originally posted by clint738 View Post

    My thoughts exactly

    I borrowed my wife's cousin's brush mower for a while when we were cleaning up a vacant lot. It was returned with a fresh oil change, new spark plug and air filter, full tank of gas with fuel stabilizer mixed properly, and a new pack of brush mower string.
    His reply was I can borrow things anytime, since I took better care of it than he did.
    I had it garage kept while he normally stored it under just a carport.
    Clint the problem today is boys and young men are not taught to take care of their own things much less anyone elses, they put things away dirty and broken for the next guy that comes along to fix. I once tried to barrow a trailer, when I got there the lights didn't work and the tongue jack was flopping around like a fish out of water so I didn't use it.. I don't allow many people to barrow my stuff. My son and sils are the only ones that can barrow tools from me.

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  • Tinker Joe 2
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    You a good man to loan, don't do that anymore it cost to much, I am like some of the fellow on here when I did borrow it was in better shape than when I returned it, that is the mark of appreciation.

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  • clint738
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    Originally posted by tackit View Post
    ... if you barrow something, return it re-lubed, gas tank full of gas, cleaner than when you received it, and fix anything within reason that might be in need of repair.
    My thoughts exactly

    I borrowed my wife's cousin's brush mower for a while when we were cleaning up a vacant lot. It was returned with a fresh oil change, new spark plug and air filter, full tank of gas with fuel stabilizer mixed properly, and a new pack of brush mower string.
    His reply was I can borrow things anytime, since I took better care of it than he did.
    I had it garage kept while he normally stored it under just a carport.

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  • ryanjones2150
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    I borrowed a pipe vice from a friend a few years ago. I snapped that sap sucker clean in two. When I returned the vice, it was repaired and looked better than when he let me take it with me AND it was accompanied by an identical one, brand new and still on the box.

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  • WillieB
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    A neighbor I was very fond of asked to borrow a very old farm tractor with loader. Many people don't understand these things aren't bulldozers. Minutes later I could hear in the distance, loud clanging. Boulders, (4' in diameter) were poking up through his lawn. He's getting a running start and hitting them at speed to knock them out of the lawn. He never borrowed anything again!

    I'm a slow learner, I know. Nobody will take care of my things but me.

    Willie

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  • Oldgrandad
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    I feel the same way and have taught my kids to do the same. Back in the day I borrowed my brother in laws Pinto when my truck was in the shop. While I had it, the clutch blew, so limped it to my shop put in a new clutch, pressure plate and bearing. Then I got a flat so he got a new tire too. When I gave his car back he told that I could borrow it any time. Probably would have been cheaper to rent a car, but oh well. Sometimes things don't go the way you would like but if you do the right thing, good things are bound to come your way.

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  • tackit
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    When I first got married we unfortunately had to live in a lousy subdivision, my next door neighbor came over and asked if I had a 1/2" drill he could barrow, like a kind fool I handed him my brand new Milwaukee hole shooter I never turned on yet. I went out to get the mail and saw him in his garage leaning on it reaming out a hole, I could hear the motor groaning, he never asked to barrow another tool. Some people are slugs . I always taught my sons, daughters and my SIL if you barrow something, return it re-lubed, gas tank full of gas, cleaner than when you received it, and fix anything within reason that might be in need of repair.

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  • WillieB
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    After these loaning experiences, I'm always pretty gun shy for a few years. It is almost always cheaper, and easier to do the job, than loan, then repair the machine. The repair is one I wouldn't have chosen a MIG to do.

    Willie

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  • clint738
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    Hmmm.... so he's welding on excavation heavy equipment, and apparently only familiar with stick welding??? That is at least what I'd gather from how he returned your equipment (not working). I wouldn't want to be using the equipment he "test drove" Mig equipment on. If he wasn't Mig competent enough to use the equipment correctly then I'd also be likely to question the weld quality as Mig welds can look pretty but not be adequate. I think they even have to be qualified procedures for different cases.

    Either way... glad you got your MM252 running again. I'm sure you and your machine will be joined at the hip next time it is ever loaned out again... that is if you ever do it again...

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  • Can You Weld This For Me?
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    I tend to go with your assessment WillieB. Looks like it was used without the nozzle for sure and possibly without the contact tip. Maybe larger diameter flux core that wouldn't fit the tip diameter an no nozzle in a tight spot. Regardless, glad it's going again.

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  • WillieB
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    To me it is still a mystery. The borrower is a man I have immense respect for. He does all the welding for a four man family excavation company. He usually uses a Lincoln tombstone AC only welder. He produces welds I'm jealous of. The family is financially challenged, their equipment is mostly old.

    They had a Ford 655 backhoe loader that broke off just below the pin at the top pivot of the front loader, right at the bottom corner of the windshield. He has to act as salesman to convince his purchasing agent, (his 77 year old father) that a MIG is a good purchase. I think this was a test drive. The repair was one I'd be proud of, he is thrilled with how well it went. I think WTH????????? It doesn't work! I'll eventually find out what happened. For now I have a fixed machine, I'm good!

    Willie

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  • BukitCase
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    From some of the earlier comments, it sounds to me like the borrower didn't know how versatile the mm252 is, tried to use it with flux core, did NOT read the manual, DID put flux core in it, did NOT reverse the polarity, and (finally) must have had his finger on the torch trigger when he turned it on - this would have brought up the programming menu - then, in confusion he could have started twisting knobs - God knows how many parameters he would have changed before finally giving up, shutting it off (with parameters still screwed up), then turned it on, it "magically" sorta worked, til he ran flux core with no nozzle (who needs it when there's no gas?) and cooked the tip.

    That's why even my (few) friends get to use my 252, but ONLY with ME attached :=)...Steve

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  • clint738
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    That's great you got it working good again!

    That tip adapter really does look cooked... I wonder why they would take the nozzle off though? Unless being inexperienced they thought they could see the weld puddle better with it off or something?? The MM252 does have a pretty bulky Mig gun, but it is understandable being that it is rated higher than the M-100 gun like on the MM140C.



    That's great to see the MM252 can be brought back up to par with just some consumables changed... I've been thinking about buying me some extras just to have on hand if I need them when I get to teaching my son to weld some time this year.
    Last edited by clint738; 03-01-2017, 01:42 PM.

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  • H80N
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    Originally posted by WillieB View Post
    I did a whole bunch of things. Pulled the liner out to inspect, it looks new. Replaced all the consumables in the gun, adjusted tension on the reel. I went into the menu and set everything except the push motor force.

    Now it works good once again.

    Thanks for everybody's help.

    Willie

    It's hard to see, the only damage visible is a burned up tip adapter. It looks like somebody tried to weld with no nozzle on. Wire didn't seem to be sticking there.
    Willie

    Glad you got it back up to snuff

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