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  • ryanjones2150
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    Jeff is awesome ain't he?

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  • Tigwalker
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    Thanks for all he help. Switched the coolant valve for the busted gas valve and bam. I'm back in business. The high frequency issues were a random amd separate incident. I adjusted the wire 47 which is attached the the resistor. The movable portion slider thing needed to be cleaned and tuned for the 78 ish volts. I was not getting enough volts engage the cr1 relay that initially starts the high frequency. I am a couple days older and a couple days more knowledgeable and experienced. I now know how to back blow a tig torch to try to clear the valve and to blow some argon through a new flow meeter before attaching it to the gas hose. I learned to go disassemble a solenoid and out it back together. I learned how the internals and relays work on a sinewave machine. Now that I understand how it all works I see much more value of how sturdy and repairable the dialarc hf is. Also a big shout out to Jeff at Miller tech support for cleaning up my mess.
    Thanks

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  • H80N
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    Originally posted by Tigwalker View Post
    Okay. Talked to Miller and got a part number. The older more knowledgeable guy that is have spoke with was not available. I asked it trying the other solenoid was worth a shot he said yes. I only use a water cooled torch and have never even used the other solenoid. I traded the 90degree elbows that fit my torch and hooked it up. It works except at low amps the arc trips out and flutters. Not sure what that would be. The solenoid holds gas and is engaged and closed by the pedal. Is there something I'm missing. And yes I agree about your comment about age and knowledge. I am constantly learning and gaining experience, and much of that is passed down by older more experienced machinists / welders.
    Thanks for all your replies.
    not sure if this post sent, if it's a repeat I apologize.
    I can see no reason that would stop you from using that water solenoid for argon.... The "city water" cooling option is a poor choice anyhow...probably the same asco redhat solenoid valve part number

    Asco Catalog

    http://www.asco.com/en-us/Pages/asco-catalog.aspx

    Last edited by H80N; 02-24-2017, 08:00 AM.

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  • Tigwalker
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    Okay. Talked to Miller and got a part number. The older more knowledgeable guy that is have spoke with was not available. I asked it trying the other solenoid was worth a shot he said yes. I only use a water cooled torch and have never even used the other solenoid. I traded the 90degree elbows that fit my torch and hooked it up. It works except at low amps the arc trips out and flutters. Not sure what that would be. The solenoid holds gas and is engaged and closed by the pedal. Is there something I'm missing. And yes I agree about your comment about age and knowledge. I am constantly learning and gaining experience, and much of that is passed down by older more experienced machinists / welders.
    Thanks for all your replies.
    not sure if this post sent, if it's a repeat I apologize.

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  • Tigwalker
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    Okay. Talked to Miller and got a part number. The older more knowledgeable guy that is have spoke with was not available. I asked it trying the other solenoid was worth a shot he said yes. I only use a water cooled torch and have never even used the other solenoid. I traded the 90degree elbows that fit my torch and hooked it up. It works except at low amps the arc trips out and flutters. Not sure what that would be. The solenoid holds gas and is engaged and closed by the pedal. Is there something I'm missing. And yes I agree about your comment about age and knowledge. I am constantly learning and gaining experience, and much of that is passed down by older more experienced machinists / welders.
    Thanks for all your replies.

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  • FusionKing
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    [QUOTE=ryanjones2150; He's probably old too, like anybody else that knows lots of good stuff. Takes time to get knowledgable and all that.[/QUOTE]

    Thank you
    Wisest statement ever made on this forum

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  • ryanjones2150
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    No way, those old machines are awesome. Call Miller up and see if they can cross reference a part for you. I have a 74 airco and they were able to cross reference ancient airco and Miller part numbers to new stuff that works perfectly. Miller tech support has a guy that is sort of their "old" machine guy. I think his name is Jeff. He's probably old too, like anybody else that knows lots of good stuff. Takes time to get knowledgable and all that.

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  • Tigwalker
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    Okay. I am leaning toward the new solenoid idea also. I did another 45minutes of tinkering and no results yet. I think the new flow meter must have had something stuck inside the system that got lodged into the solenoid when I turned on the gas. The inlet side of the new flow meter has a very fine brass screen filter on it, so it couldn't have been lint/something from my tank side. I looked super closely at the female threads of my tank to see if maybe their was any gunk or bits of thread tape from the last person who traded in the tank. They're was nothing inside the threads as well as the brass screen. Not to mention that before attaching a flow meter or regulator to inert has I turn on the valve of the tank for a moment to blow any possible debris. I looked for a replacement solenoid online but couldn't find the right one. The ones I did see were a couple hundred bucks which was surprising. Is that correct ballpark pricing? I don't have an exact manual for the machine I have, and millers look up site doesn't recognize my serial number. I have talked to Rep on coustomer service and they don't have the correct manual for my machine. It is a dialarc hf 310. Which is it common I guess. Most of the parts I have ordered were from 250hf and worked fine. If anybody has a link to the replacement for sale I would appreciate it. Or if anybody knows how to get inside the solenoid pleas let me know. I am a machinist and feel I may be able to repair it if o could get inside. Thanks for taking the time to help me and answer my questions about a old machine that is not worth the dollar value of the time it has most likely taken you to respond. Lol.
    Thanks
    Dylan

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  • ryanjones2150
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    I vote for replacing the solenoid.

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  • H80N
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    Originally posted by Tigwalker View Post
    Okay. I tried the blowing it out backwards while cycling the pedal. Did not solve problem. Tried it a couple more times and still leaking. I took solenoid apart and blew it out and still leaking. Not sure how to get deeper into it then just taking off the fittings and cap. Any tips would help.
    And thanks for the replies.
    might need replaced............ it is 20-30 years old after all

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  • Tigwalker
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    Okay. I tried the blowing it out backwards while cycling the pedal. Did not solve problem. Tried it a couple more times and still leaking. I took solenoid apart and blew it out and still leaking. Not sure how to get deeper into it then just taking off the fittings and cap. Any tips would help.
    And thanks for the replies.

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  • H80N
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    Originally posted by Tigwalker View Post
    Maybe some lint? Any tips on cleaning out the solenoid?
    thanks
    disconnect flowmeter hose & torch .....then blow it out backwards (from torch side) with compressed air while cycling the pedal

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  • Tigwalker
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    Maybe some lint? Any tips on cleaning out the solenoid?
    thanks

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  • H80N
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    or a shred of teflon tape....... hope you did NOT use any on gas connections or flowmeter

    TEF Tape is a NO NO on inert gas connections
    Last edited by H80N; 02-22-2017, 06:23 PM.

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  • H80N
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    sounds like a sticky gas solenoid,,,,, you might have bit of lint in it

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