I had my heart set on another "blue" machine (since my MIG is blue), a 180 TIG, but Miller stopped their rebate program and today was the last day to get a Lincoln Square Wave 200 for $1200 (after rebate) --- much less than the 180. Actually just as capable, perhaps even more so as it provides adjustments on AC Frequency, AC Pulse, and AC Balance --- all critical for TIG. Not sure why the 180 uses "presets" --- hope they'll change that in the future.
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Originally posted by Customizer View PostNot sure why the 180 uses "presets" --- hope they'll change that in the future.HTP Invertig221 D.V. Water-cooled
HTP Pro Pulse 300 MIG
HTP Pro Pulse 200 MIG x2
HTP Pro Pulse 220 MTS
HTP Inverarc 200 TLP water cooled
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Originally posted by OscarJr View Post
Because once you start adding more bells and whistles, then you would have a "Dynasty-ish" machine, and that would compete with sales of Dynasty units. That's like buying a Chevy Cavalier and wondering why it doesn't have the bells and whistles that a Cadillac has, all while being just as cheap as a normal Cavalier. If you want a Caddy, buy a Caddy.
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Originally posted by Customizer View Post
To be perfectly honest, I would have gone with the 180 (even if more expensive) had they provided (at least) the ability to control balance for pen vice cleaning --- important for alum. I think I understand why Miller set its Freq Preset (120) and Bal Preset (72) up the way they did on the 180, but with the competition adding these for close to $1000 a machine cheaper, Miller should step up to the plate.HTP Invertig221 D.V. Water-cooled
HTP Pro Pulse 300 MIG
HTP Pro Pulse 200 MIG x2
HTP Pro Pulse 220 MTS
HTP Inverarc 200 TLP water cooled
HTP Microcut 875SC
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Well, fellas, I have 3 Miller machines and when I bought them , I NEVER even considered another brand before buying. At all the manufacturing plants I worked at, every one of them had nothing but Miller welders and most had Hypertherm plaz machines, which is why I have both those brands in my garage. And I don't understand why anyone would be on a Miller forum and lament their perceived shortcomings over other brands. Like others have said, buy what you think you'll be happy with and be done with it. Hey Bob, will your detective skills qualify you for Super Moderator?
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Originally posted by Metjunkie View PostWell, fellas, I have 3 Miller machines and when I bought them , I NEVER even considered another brand before buying.Hey Bob, will your detective skills qualify you for Super Moderator?. I have worked in shops for the last 40 years. 99.9% of them used Miller for the Migs and Lincoln for the Stick/Tig welders. Seems its still that way...Bob
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Originally posted by ryanjones2150 View PostI'm gonna go over to the Lincoln forum and tell all those guys how much I prefer Miller machines because Miller machines are awesome and how the miller people are so much nicer and helpful-er and how my dad can beat up their dad and all that stuff....Bob Wright
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Originally posted by ryanjones2150 View PostI'm gonna go over to the Lincoln forum and tell all those guys how much I prefer Miller machines because Miller machines are awesome and how the miller people are so much nicer and helpful-er and how my dad can beat up their dad and all that stuff....
Kinda makes you think of a ragged-out 50-year-old Volkswagen Beetle plastered with bumper stickers of kids taking a pee on Corvettes...while the Corvettes pass them on their way to work, oblivious...who cares?
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Lol...
It's really a pointless argument, if the machine works for you, use it.
I have Millers at work so I got hooked on Miller there (like really hooked), had it been Lincoln at work, it might have been different.
I see Millers way more than I do Lincolns. In clearwater I have seen them on trucks, construction sites, my shop, another 2 company shops and I have come across one lincoln on a truck in the field and another 2 lincolns at another one of our shops.
I really just like Miller because it has yet to fail on me, I don't use a Lincoln to put it to the test but I found a brand that seems to never go down so I am happy with that, I stick to that.
Don't know if they are really all that different, no need to get into a fight over it, weld with what you have and buy what you want.if there's a welder, there's a way
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Originally posted by Olivero View Post
I see Millers way more than I do Lincolns. In clearwater I have seen them on trucks, construction sites, my shop, another 2 company shops and I have come across one lincoln on a truck in the field and another 2 lincolns at another one of our shops.Bob Wright
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Originally posted by aametalmaster View PostSo Mr Customizer. Are you Francis J or Auto Tech? And I do know the answer...Bob
pretty sad altogether...........
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