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  • Tig torch problem and I need advice soon......

    I am in the middle of a project welding aluminum plates and tubing.
    Suddenly there is water dripping put of the torch head.nozzle
    Knowing water and electricity do not mix, I shut things down.

    The torch is a CK (#20) water cooled torch running off a Dynasty 200 machine.
    Can someone tell me what may have caused the water to start leaking and where should I begin to find and fix the problem?
    Thanks for any help and I will have to pause on the project until I get it fixed.
    Perry
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  • #2
    Perry...

    is that a Flex Head version CK-20.............??
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    • #3
      H80N,
      Yes, I failed to mention that it is a flex head. The flex neck is where it must be leaking because the water drips out of the cup.
      Perry.
      Dynasty 200 DX_set up on 3 phase
      Coolmate 3
      MM 251 w/ Spoolmatic 30A
      HTP 625 Micro Cut Plasma Cutter
      Victor O/A Rig
      Bridgeport Mill_3 phase (w/ Acu-Rite 4 axis DRO)
      10 inch South Bend Lathe_3 phase
      Baldor Double Cup Tool Grinder_3 phase
      Baldor 10 inch Buffer
      Rockwell 12 inch Disc Sander
      Cyclone 2ft X 3ft Bead Blast Cabinet
      Quincy 325 2stg- Air Compressor_3 phase
      Graymills Built-in Parts Washer
      Rockwell/Delta Planer, HD Shaper, Uni-Saw etc.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by piniongear View Post
        H80N,
        Yes, I failed to mention that it is a flex head. The flex neck is where it must be leaking because the water drips out of the cup.
        Perry.
        Thought so...after extended use they sometimes crack along the silver solder joints.....Metal fatigue...

        time to go shopping for a new torch
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        My Blue Stuff:
        Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
        Dynasty 200DX
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        Millermatic 200

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        • #5
          Thanks for your comments. The torch is only 2 years old but it has seen quite a bit of use.
          I am welding lap joints of 1/8 inch 6061 to 1/4 inch 6061 plate.
          I may just shut off the water cooler and try to finish the project with a non cooled torch.
          I am welding at 130 amps A/C so it is a borderline situation on if I can do this without cooling. Any comment on using no water?
          Thanks,
          Perry
          Dynasty 200 DX_set up on 3 phase
          Coolmate 3
          MM 251 w/ Spoolmatic 30A
          HTP 625 Micro Cut Plasma Cutter
          Victor O/A Rig
          Bridgeport Mill_3 phase (w/ Acu-Rite 4 axis DRO)
          10 inch South Bend Lathe_3 phase
          Baldor Double Cup Tool Grinder_3 phase
          Baldor 10 inch Buffer
          Rockwell 12 inch Disc Sander
          Cyclone 2ft X 3ft Bead Blast Cabinet
          Quincy 325 2stg- Air Compressor_3 phase
          Graymills Built-in Parts Washer
          Rockwell/Delta Planer, HD Shaper, Uni-Saw etc.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by piniongear View Post
            Thanks for your comments. The torch is only 2 years old but it has seen quite a bit of use.
            I am welding lap joints of 1/8 inch 6061 to 1/4 inch 6061 plate.
            I may just shut off the water cooler and try to finish the project with a non cooled torch.
            I am welding at 130 amps A/C so it is a borderline situation on if I can do this without cooling. Any comment on using no water?
            Thanks,
            Perry
            without water... it will likely POP... & Sizzle itself....Nearly Instanter................ bad news

            the power cable runs inside of one of the coolant hoses.... without water..........PPPpppFFFFfffttt finito...

            Hope you have a spare 17 series air cooled torch
            Last edited by H80N; 12-01-2016, 05:56 PM.
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            “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

            Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

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            Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
            Dynasty 200DX
            Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
            Millermatic 200

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            • #7
              Thanks for that info. This torch has recently started popping a couple of times and that surprised me as to what could cause it to pop. The metal is always super clean.
              Yes I once had a 17 torch but it went with my Miller Syncro180 machine when I sold it.
              I will start searching for another torch I guess.
              Dynasty 200 DX_set up on 3 phase
              Coolmate 3
              MM 251 w/ Spoolmatic 30A
              HTP 625 Micro Cut Plasma Cutter
              Victor O/A Rig
              Bridgeport Mill_3 phase (w/ Acu-Rite 4 axis DRO)
              10 inch South Bend Lathe_3 phase
              Baldor Double Cup Tool Grinder_3 phase
              Baldor 10 inch Buffer
              Rockwell 12 inch Disc Sander
              Cyclone 2ft X 3ft Bead Blast Cabinet
              Quincy 325 2stg- Air Compressor_3 phase
              Graymills Built-in Parts Washer
              Rockwell/Delta Planer, HD Shaper, Uni-Saw etc.

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              • #8
                I bet that's a pretty cool sound....PPPpppFFFFffftttfinito....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ryanjones2150 View Post
                  I bet that's a pretty cool sound....PPPpppFFFFffftttfinito....
                  kinda like the sound that one inch of green cannon fuse makes when you light it off....
                  .

                  *******************************************
                  The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                  “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                  Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                  My Blue Stuff:
                  Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                  Dynasty 200DX
                  Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                  Millermatic 200

                  TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                  • #10
                    Good place to look

                    http://www.ebay.com/dsc/TIG-Torches/...t=67062&_odkw=

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                    *******************************************
                    The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                    “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                    Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                    My Blue Stuff:
                    Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                    Dynasty 200DX
                    Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                    Millermatic 200

                    TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                    • #11
                      Buy two while you're at it. That way next time you don't have to stop the show. I hate not having a part like that.

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                      • #12
                        Any luck on a new torch yet....??...
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                        *******************************************
                        The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                        “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                        Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                        My Blue Stuff:
                        Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                        Dynasty 200DX
                        Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                        Millermatic 200

                        TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                        • #13
                          Make you replace it with CK 20 or you'll have to change the power hose

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