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  • #16
    I haven't heard much about the new bodies. They are interesting. I've long wanted to build a Jeep body of aluminum. VT roads are salted heavily. A few old Land Rovers are still around with aluminum bodies after many years of service in salt. I once had one. Be very careful to keep dielectric spacers between aluminum and steel in good condition. Aluminum will fast corrode around the bolts.

    It'd be Ford's way to use non weldable aluminum in these bodies. Time will tell.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by WillieB View Post
      I haven't heard much about the new bodies. They are interesting. I've long wanted to build a Jeep body of aluminum. VT roads are salted heavily. A few old Land Rovers are still around with aluminum bodies after many years of service in salt. I once had one. Be very careful to keep dielectric spacers between aluminum and steel in good condition. Aluminum will fast corrode around the bolts.

      It'd be Ford's way to use non weldable aluminum in these bodies. Time will tell.

      Willie
      According to Forbes... it is 6XXXX series Alu..... so quite weldable.....





      What kind of aluminum is the 2015 Ford F-150 made of?

      The majority of the truck body is 6,000-series alloy aluminum, which is a heat-treatable alloy aluminum. Depending on the mix that you put in the alloy, but certainly more a function of how long you heat-treat it, you can get all manner of properties out of this aluminum. Some of our structural elements and our extruded pieces are heat-treated, and we end up with stronger pieces than the steel we’re replacing.


      http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewd.../#2c0293156878

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      • #18
        I have welded it with 4043 wire. But its the alum before its drawn. I got a few pieces for projects...Bob
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        • #19
          Originally posted by WillieB View Post
          I've long wanted to build a Jeep body of aluminum. VT roads are salted heavily.
          Many DOT have switched from salt to calcium chloride or other liquid brine materials. There was a problem with aluminum fuel tanks and trailer frames on transport trucks corroding very quickly because of the new chemicals. Worse than rust on steel. The solution was expensive protective coatings that need to be monitored closely. Unlike brown rust on steel that is obvious, aluminum corrosion is not.

          The only real protection against corrosion on steel or aluminum is a high quality paint.
          Would hate to see you put the money and effort into a cool project and have it destroyed by corrosion.
          Last edited by Stefen7; 10-26-2016, 11:19 AM.

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          • #20
            I watched a YouTube video on this exact topic, but I can't remember the channel or the title. But I bet you could do a search and find the answer. I know for sure the topic was tig welding ford aluminum body panels. I know you don't want tig, but you may not have much other choice.

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            • #21
              If you are doing thin sheet aluminum or a sensitive weld, Tigging will allow you much more control.

              I would choose TIG over MIG any day of the week.
              if there's a welder, there's a way

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              • #22
                Ford's love affair with aluminum started when Alan Mulally was CEO --- he "grew up" with aluminum from his Boeing days. For most of us in the automotive business, Ford has made some unusual demands on shop equipment and require you to take their training, use their recommended support equipment, etc --- all because of their alloys. I think it's a fad (certainly drives the cost of the vehicle and maintenance) that will be "overcome" by composites ---just like planes. Commercial aircraft started out with very high aluminum content (in some cases almost 75%) now composites have reduced that content dramatically --- same with automobiles in the future. Today's cars are 35% electronics, some aluminum (Ford mainly), some composites. In 15 years they'll be 65% electronics, little if any aluminum and largely composites.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Olivero View Post
                  If you are doing thin sheet aluminum or a sensitive weld, Tigging will allow you much more control.

                  I would choose TIG over MIG any day of the week.
                  I will agree for the trucks welded at home. But for daily repair in a body shop setting how many do you know of that employ Tig welders?. Not talking high end shops that specialize in aluminum repairs. Most corner bodyshops have migs because almost anyone can use them with somewhat good results. But if I was spending 70 grand on a new aluminum truck and it got wrecked. I would cringe at some crap work most shops are putting out. And most insurance companies aren't going to pay for the high end shops better work. They will say its a body shop they should be able to fix it, right. I have been there and unless you want to pay out of pocket to pick and choose who does the work you prob will get the guy at the corner with the mig. Just my .02...Bob
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by aametalmaster View Post

                    I will agree for the trucks welded at home. But for daily repair in a body shop setting how many do you know of that employ Tig welders?. Not talking high end shops that specialize in aluminum repairs. Most corner bodyshops have migs because almost anyone can use them with somewhat good results. But if I was spending 70 grand on a new aluminum truck and it got wrecked. I would cringe at some crap work most shops are putting out. And most insurance companies aren't going to pay for the high end shops better work. They will say its a body shop they should be able to fix it, right. I have been there and unless you want to pay out of pocket to pick and choose who does the work you prob will get the guy at the corner with the mig. Just my .02...Bob
                    There's something crazy about new truck prices --- not sure how much longer this can continue. I drove old trucks -- 84/5 Dodge W350 (with 88,000 miles), 87 Dodge D250 (with 27,000 miles), 90 F-350 (7.5L gas guzzler), 03 SuperDuty (6.0L), and an old 48 Chevrolet (three glass windows in the rear)...........last time I checked I don't have more than $25,000 in ALL these vehicles. I think it's nutty spending $35K-$70K on a new pickup only to watch it depreciate rapidly the first few years.

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                    • #25
                      I agree. I see these young guys starting into the fire service, good steady job now. First thing they do is run out and buy a fancy shmancy new truck, then max a credit card out putting a lift kit and big tires and the like. I bet by the time they've done all that, their truck cost nearly what my house did. But most of them are still living at home with mommy and daddy too.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by aametalmaster View Post

                        I will agree for the trucks welded at home. But for daily repair in a body shop setting how many do you know of that employ Tig welders?. Not talking high end shops that specialize in aluminum repairs. Most corner bodyshops have migs because almost anyone can use them with somewhat good results. But if I was spending 70 grand on a new aluminum truck and it got wrecked. I would cringe at some crap work most shops are putting out. And most insurance companies aren't going to pay for the high end shops better work. They will say its a body shop they should be able to fix it, right. I have been there and unless you want to pay out of pocket to pick and choose who does the work you prob will get the guy at the corner with the mig. Just my .02...Bob
                        For me personally, I would weld it myself. If i had the machine that can run it hot enough, there is no reason I could not do it myself.

                        If a Mig welder did anything to my truck, I would very harshly inspect the weld and as much as I can, verify it was done properly. I don't like MIG over TIG, I have welded 8 foot seems with TIG because I like it better. MIG would have taken 1 hour, took 8 hours with TIG, pedaling with my knees but was still worth it in the end.
                        if there's a welder, there's a way

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ryanjones2150 View Post
                          But most of them are still living at home with mommy and daddy too.
                          Yup and a 4 wheeler and a big trailer. I see it everyday and thank God I just bought a truck when I was 18 and they were less than 3 grand new...Bob
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