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  • fun4now
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    you might also pop over to the hobart sit , i have read several posts over there complaining about the wire feeder on the lil red 135's cant remember them all but it might be werth a check.i remember being asked to post a pic. of the wire feed setup on my MM135 for them. much nicer setup on the MM

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  • fun4now
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    the best thing would be to try it for your self. all three are going to be good welders and you will have to get the hang of witchever 1 you get. so get out there and get started melting stuff


    jimg
    some have run aluminum with the standerd M-10 gun that comes on it with fair to good results.if you do a serch i'm shoure you will find more on it. you will want to run the tip 1 size larger than the wire and getting a seperat M-10 would be much cheaper than the hole spool gun and controler, just try to keep the feed as strait as possible.you will be ok for the once in a wile thing.

    if you are planing on doing lots of aluminum you should look tword a spool gun and a MM210 after you add the price of the controler to the $$ of the MM175 you will be at the same $$$ as the MM210 witch has more power and will make using the spool gun a much nicer setup.

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  • HAWK
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    ScottV,

    Just a note about the Passport 180 and .023" wire. As the machine was worked through engineering and prototyping a common idea came to light. Have a machine that runs 1 wire size perfectly for all material sizes within its range. Add the portable CO2 bottle, and 115-230VAC Autoline and it is an unbeatable machine to say the least! The Passport really rocks on 25 gauge up to 1/4" with .030" wire. Spool up some 035" wire if you want to go thicker than 1/4". The wire feed speed literally cannot push the .030" fast enough with the machine's voltage setting maxed. I saw it in its later prototype stages and I own the current model. --- Before you start on my statement about one wire size for all materials do your calcs and figure the amount of WFS needed to push .030" through any feeder to achieve 180 amps of weld output.

    fun4now,

    No disrespect meant toward the MM135 with Wire Speed Tracking. It is a very nice machine and I see a lot of them at the race tracks. However, I personally prefer the Lincoln SP135+ because it does not have the WST, It is really no big deal either way (WST or NOT). Some people really prefer the WST.

    ScottV,

    I owned a lincoln SP135+ and liked everything about it except the price! It was a great little 120VAC machine and really ran a sweet bead with .023" wire. It did a good job with .030" too! As a matter of fact I have owned a handful of good Lincoln machines and never had a problem until I needed warranty or tech support. That is where the problems began and the the Millers came in. I will tell you the same story about TA and TD on tech support and warranty.

    On the other hand I cannot begin to tell you how much Miller has done for me through the years, many years before this forum existed. I will give you one good example: I recently had a machine go down within a month of purchase. I made on phone call to to the Miller applications department handling my particular machine and had a brand new machine air freighted to my dealer the next morning at 8:00 AM. Service just does not get any better than that!

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  • Scott V
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    Originally posted by fun4now
    every time you all start putting down the venerable WST, i just gota wonder why you cant just use the welder as it was intended??? i have had no problem with it.found my MM135 to be verry easy to dial in and verry responsive.my welds on 1/8" were taken into a welding instructor and he said they were exelent he would not change anything/ so is it just you are to old for change or you just want it to work youre way or it is garbage??? you have to ajust to any tool and all are a lil diferent so dont go sending this guy away just cuz you dont get it . it works fine.
    I owned two welders with wirefeed tracking, and used the 135/175 miller units.
    It sucks compared to the Lincoln in dailing in the arc correctly. I sure the MM 135 works fine for you because there is so little range to begin with in the run of the mill little 120 volt machines. Miller made wire feed tracking for the novice to keep him close to a good arc at all times.

    I am glad you think it is wonderful but most people that have used both machines know better.

    Do me a favor and don't read my posts if you don't like it. I going going to say what I feel, so you might as well get used to it!!! It works for you because you do not know the difference, plain and simple!!!!

    If you think I do not like WFT on infinite voltage control, you should read Dans Posts. For some reason he dislikes it worse then me. I pretty sure it's because he owns one!!!


    Sberry,
    that is the major difference between the small Miller and Lincoln machines. Also the difference between a MM185/ MM210 machine. The little Lincolns buss through stuff that chokes the Miller machines. Don't believe me?
    Try some aluminized type steel and run them all with .023/.030 wire.
    Even the real older little Hobart 120/150 had a real hard time with that stuff.
    They weld pretty nice until you ran into that stuff. Lincoln always had a clear advantage in that area. Still do!!

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  • fun4now
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    i have never had a problem with my MM135 sputtering and about all i use is bad/old rusty steel. cleaned up as best as i can.my mm135 is a lil over 1 year old.no problems to date

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  • Sberry
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    My neighbor has a MM175, he likes it fairly well and is a journeyman weldor but he says it really sputters when he hits a bad spot of steel. I have a SP130T, (foreruner of the 175 and it is a great little machine. After 12 yrs I am having some glitches I need to take care of but I really used it hard, way beyond home/hobby use would ever be. I run 030 in it, I actually do have a roll of 023 somewhere,,, but I can handle the heat,,, ha

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  • fun4now
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    venerable WST

    every time you all start putting down the venerable WST, i just gota wonder why you cant just use the welder as it was intended??? i have had no problem with it.found my MM135 to be verry easy to dial in and verry responsive.my welds on 1/8" were taken into a welding instructor and he said they were exelent he would not change anything/ so is it just you are to old for change or you just want it to work youre way or it is garbage??? you have to ajust to any tool and all are a lil diferent so dont go sending this guy away just cuz you dont get it . it works fine.

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  • Scott V
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    Originally posted by jimg
    I'm researching the purchase of a MIG welder in the '175' size and would like to revist this discussion and focus on Al welding. I know the MM175 can be had w/ an optional spool gun. Is anyone using this setup? It appears that the welder must be rigged for either AL or steel but not both at the same time (ala gun on demand in the bigger machines). Whats the take down/set up time like?

    In comparison the Lincoln 175+ can be rigged to weld Al but it appears that its a push gun only. For any one w/ this machine does this work well?

    What Im trying to figure out is how is welding Al w/ either of these machines? Im sure theres some amt of goofing around when converted (and thats OK). However, once its set for Al does it do a good job?

    thanx jimg

    You could use the same Miller control box and spoolgun on a Lincoln 175 plus, as they use on a MM175. It would probably give you are very adjustable setup. Something that taps don't quite give you.

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  • fun4now
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    jimg

    save up a bit longer and go to the MM210 with spool gun and you will be set to do eather with out any setup, just pull the triger for whatever you want to weld

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  • jimg
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    How about Al?

    I'm researching the purchase of a MIG welder in the '175' size and would like to revist this discussion and focus on Al welding. I know the MM175 can be had w/ an optional spool gun. Is anyone using this setup? It appears that the welder must be rigged for either AL or steel but not both at the same time (ala gun on demand in the bigger machines). Whats the take down/set up time like?

    In comparison the Lincoln 175+ can be rigged to weld Al but it appears that its a push gun only. For any one w/ this machine does this work well?

    What Im trying to figure out is how is welding Al w/ either of these machines? Im sure theres some amt of goofing around when converted (and thats OK). However, once its set for Al does it do a good job?

    thanx jimg

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  • 260Z
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    Thanks for all of the input, all of you bring up good points/opinions.

    rb455ho, care to give me the extra money from a 170 to the 251???
    I would be willing to take paypal. lol

    Thanks,

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  • rb455ho
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    Get a mm251 or 350p and put all this to bed!!!!

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  • DDA52
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    Originally posted by Scott V
    All that typing and not one remark about the venerable WST?????


    [They need one more to get it right!!!]



    Don,
    I thought I did mention it???
    I was just trying to get something started....just like you taught me!

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  • Scott V
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    All that typing and not one remark about the venerable WST?????


    [They need one more to get it right!!!]



    Don,
    I thought I did mention it???

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  • df5152
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    I have a sp170t similar to the 175 except mine has a tap switch where the 175 has a variable knob for voltage control. I have never had a problem with the lincoln in over 10 years since i've owned it. I recently bought a miller product had some problems with the first one and they replaced it with a new one so great customer service from miller. dont know how lincoln would be never had to use them for service. In the long run i dont think you will go wrong with either.

    Dan

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