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    Can an HF-15-1 be expected to play well with an AEAD-200LE? I've read some suggestions of HF backfeeding and
    causing trouble with power supplies. The AEAD's welding circuits look indestructible, but the controls have enough
    solid-state devices to make me cautious..... Also, the engine has electronic ignition.

    The goal here is personal entertainment more than professional. I bought the AEAD-200LE in part because I
    enjoy old motorized toys and wanted to recover some of the skills I almost learned in high school forty years ago.....
    Striking and holding a low-current, small arc was and still is a real challenge. That's part of the fun, but I'm not
    opposed to cheating when it helps. Primarily I'd like to find out what welding with an HF box is like. The results
    don't need to be commercially valuable and there's no need for haste. I was once a passable gas welder and
    would like to see how well I can do with SMAW and maybe someday TIG on smaller material.

    An HF-15-1 turned up for sale about three hours away, asking price $300. No water valve, no gas valve, just
    the bare HF box. That seems rather steep but I've been watching for a while and this is the first HF unit I've seen in
    the Sacramento area. Been watching for an HF251, so far haven't seen one. The AEAD-200LE ended up costing
    $700 after more than a year's search; it's not pretty, but the slip rings are un-grooved and it runs quite well, so
    there's some reason to hope it's not totally worn out.

    I'm aware of the Arc Pig, but it's slightly more money and reviews of it read a bit like advertising.

    Thanks for reading and any guidance!

    bob prohaska

  • #2
    The guy that makes the arc pic is about five miles from me. He's offered to come over and demo his doohickey, but we've just never linked up. We've chatted back and forth a few times via text message. I also have a 251 box and it's a pretty stout little guy. I'm not familiar with the HF box you're talking about. If you were nearby, is let you borrow this one.

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    • #3
      I've never tried the Arc Pig but it is slightly less than the asking price of the HF-15-1. You might need a kit to shunt the high frequency to ground upstream from the HF-15-1 if there is anything vulnerable in the AEAD. The manual for the one or the other should say, Both are probably available on this site. Look under support on the main page. ---Meltedmetal
      http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...c+pig&_sacat=0
      ---Meltedmetal

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      • #4
        I couldn't find any reference to HF protection requirements for the AEAD in the manual. The HF-15 manual makes
        much of controlling radiated emissions from power supply wiring but says little about protecting the welder itself.
        Perhaps somebody on the forum has tried it and will comment.

        Ryan, what do you think of your HF251 as an aid to low-current (sub-35 amp) stick welding? If it isn't significant
        help then I might be wiser to hold off, at least for now. I'd like to play with TIG at some point, but the arc starter is
        a smallish part of the kit.

        The Ebay offer on the Arc Pig is much better than anything I found. Clearly $300 is not a bargain for the HF-15-1.
        If it had gas/water controls the story might be a little different.

        Thanks for your help!

        bob prohaska

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        • #5
          I don't see an application for the 251 with stick welding. The arc pig would probably be a better choice as far as I can tell, particularly for the low current welding stuff you're looking at. The only reason I haven't gotten one to try is because I just forgot to call the guy. As far as using the arc pig for tig welding...scratch start maybe, I don't recall what I decided on that part of it. I really want to get one because the website, user's guide and videos are entertaining and I want to support the local guy building stuff. Maybe I'll call him up today...

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          • #6
            This site is getting under my skin again. Tried replying here several times this morning...error after error. Surely this one will go through....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ryanjones2150 View Post
              I don't see an application for the 251 with stick welding. The arc pig would probably be a better choice as far as I can tell, particularly for the low current welding stuff you're looking at. The only reason I haven't gotten one to try is because I just forgot to call the guy. As far as using the arc pig for tig welding...scratch start maybe, I don't recall what I decided on that part of it. I really want to get one because the website, user's guide and videos are entertaining and I want to support the local guy building stuff. Maybe I'll call him up today...
              After thinking the issue over, I've decided to delay a while on the HF start issue and simply practice traditional SMAW to
              see what I can accomplish. I've had the AEAD-200LE for only a week, so there's a vast amount to learn.

              At some point I'll want to try HF starting and maybeTIG but unless a real bargain turns up it seems wiser to wait.
              There are plenty of cheaper mistakes to make in the meantime.....

              If you do get an Arc Pig please post a review!

              bob prohaska

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              • #8
                I bought one off ebay, it worked great for a few minutes then it was lights out...I emailed the guy named Gordon and he said send it back, he didn't care that I bought from someone else who had it stocked for a couple years. It was new in box, in fact when Gordon contacted me back he said it was the third one off the line, third...I thought that was pretty cool...anyways he sent me a new one with a few updates he said. I absolutely love it, it's rock solid and does what it says. So does the company. Can't beat the arc pig in my opinion. I use it on my shopmaster, lincoln weldanpower, and a controlled products kw130 vintage unit recently saved from a scrap pile. I'm planning on buying another so I'll have one at my home shop and the car shop.
                blue stock,
                miller shopmaster 300, s22a feeder, s30 spool gun, hf251, arc pig
                miller maxstar 150 STL
                miller maxstar 210
                miller a bp 330
                non blue,
                Lincoln weldanpower 150 1982 model
                esab plasma
                Hobart ironman 210, spool gun
                victor oxy acy set
                thousands of snap on tools, 3 large boxes and tons of automotive equip.

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                • #9
                  blue stock,
                  miller shopmaster 300, s22a feeder, s30 spool gun, hf251, arc pig
                  miller maxstar 150 STL
                  miller maxstar 210
                  miller a bp 330
                  non blue,
                  Lincoln weldanpower 150 1982 model
                  esab plasma
                  Hobart ironman 210, spool gun
                  victor oxy acy set
                  thousands of snap on tools, 3 large boxes and tons of automotive equip.

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                  • #10
                    Used it yesterday on ac with a tig torch. Does pretty decent on a cast aluminum bellhousing I was playing with
                    blue stock,
                    miller shopmaster 300, s22a feeder, s30 spool gun, hf251, arc pig
                    miller maxstar 150 STL
                    miller maxstar 210
                    miller a bp 330
                    non blue,
                    Lincoln weldanpower 150 1982 model
                    esab plasma
                    Hobart ironman 210, spool gun
                    victor oxy acy set
                    thousands of snap on tools, 3 large boxes and tons of automotive equip.

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                    • #11
                      Are you able to set it up with adjustable average like a foot pedal or something?<br />
                      <br />
                      I have heard from other people that have dealt with Gordon that he's real accommodating and takes care of his product that's out and about. Have to admire that sort of support, especially from a small business.

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                      • #12
                        Yes, I use a finger amperage controller with my tig, have even used the foot pedal when I did some dc stick on aluminum...actually works quite well...I never even heard of anyone using a pedal while stick welding but it does work. I don't have remote amperage control with my gas powered welders but it works great on my shopmaster...put the a/bp 330 in storage since I got my pig.
                        blue stock,
                        miller shopmaster 300, s22a feeder, s30 spool gun, hf251, arc pig
                        miller maxstar 150 STL
                        miller maxstar 210
                        miller a bp 330
                        non blue,
                        Lincoln weldanpower 150 1982 model
                        esab plasma
                        Hobart ironman 210, spool gun
                        victor oxy acy set
                        thousands of snap on tools, 3 large boxes and tons of automotive equip.

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                        • #13
                          It works great on all my machines I've tried it on...just have remote amperage capabilities on my millers with a r14 plug
                          blue stock,
                          miller shopmaster 300, s22a feeder, s30 spool gun, hf251, arc pig
                          miller maxstar 150 STL
                          miller maxstar 210
                          miller a bp 330
                          non blue,
                          Lincoln weldanpower 150 1982 model
                          esab plasma
                          Hobart ironman 210, spool gun
                          victor oxy acy set
                          thousands of snap on tools, 3 large boxes and tons of automotive equip.

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                          • #14
                            And as for Gordon...world would be much better off if everyone had his attitude...it is a awesome product and they are made in my country..that means a lot to me..only regret i have is not buying directly from him, I'm sure if I had I wouldn't have ever had a problem. On the other hand the problem was actually no problem...he did what he said and I couldn't be happier with it and him. Thanks Gordon if you ever look here.
                            blue stock,
                            miller shopmaster 300, s22a feeder, s30 spool gun, hf251, arc pig
                            miller maxstar 150 STL
                            miller maxstar 210
                            miller a bp 330
                            non blue,
                            Lincoln weldanpower 150 1982 model
                            esab plasma
                            Hobart ironman 210, spool gun
                            victor oxy acy set
                            thousands of snap on tools, 3 large boxes and tons of automotive equip.

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                            • #15
                              Last thing...I threw the high frequency filters in the garbage...absolutely no problems with any hf feedback...I'll stick it on any of my welders without worry. I do have all my grounds better than average though..but no issues at all. Used it on 4 different machines since I got it..not afraid to use it on any of mine at all
                              blue stock,
                              miller shopmaster 300, s22a feeder, s30 spool gun, hf251, arc pig
                              miller maxstar 150 STL
                              miller maxstar 210
                              miller a bp 330
                              non blue,
                              Lincoln weldanpower 150 1982 model
                              esab plasma
                              Hobart ironman 210, spool gun
                              victor oxy acy set
                              thousands of snap on tools, 3 large boxes and tons of automotive equip.

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