MM 211 shielding gas

[ryanjones2150]

Good show.

[junkyardwarrior]

I traded in the CO2 bottle today for a 138 bottle of C25. Took it home and make a couple practice runs with it. Never used it before. Always used CO2. I got used to it pretty quick. MUCH more forgiving than straight CO2. The arc sounds hotter but it doesn't weld as hot as it sounds. Arc MUCH more stable at lower voltages and on thin metals. I was laying down a stack of dimes on this really thin square tube I got from work that holds the crates together. The thickness of the material is .068". I went ahead and built a new 3 point receiver hitch for my tractor, which makes moving the big trailer MUCH easier. I don't have to get the tip right up on the metal like with CO2. I could let the ESO get longer, or go really short and while it made a difference, it was not nearly as sensitive as CO2.

Also tried running some beads with .035" ER70S-6 on some 1/4" thickness stuff, and it worked well. Penetration appears to be almost identical to CO2, but a lot less spatter, lot less mess, much nicer looking bead, and C25 is so much more forgiving that I could run the voltage way up and just run the bead really fast; which saves time in a production environment.

Next project, get back under the Mustang and work the subframe connectors over. I did not feel confident enough with CO2 to continue on without finding the cause of the problems, and appears that I've fixed it with the shield gas change.


Shoulda got C25 in the first place. Price? 25lb of CO2 was $33. 138 cu ft of C25 (same size bottle) is $46.

[ryanjones2150]

Oh to be scaled like a chimpanzee...that's sounds bad...and not cheap, like our wonderful assistance in proper butchery of the English language.

[Ironken]

H8o....Jody is good stuff! I need to order a tig finger and Lagesse square from him.

Old jupiter.....if I veer off on the subject of coochers, I'm sure to get banned. Besides, when myself and coochers get tangled up.....kids happen. I have one trying to scale me like a chimpanzee right now.

[old jupiter]

Does he know what a coocher is? A coocher isn't a tool; however, you might use YOUR tool in conjunction with a coocher . . . .

Junkyardwarrior, are you seeing how widely informative this site can be? Not only the welding setup info you asked for but some useful terminology thrown in absolutely free. Some of us could further advise you on language appropriate to welds-gone-wrong, but the site would properly delete that. Of course, the real gurus here, like H80N, haven't had their welds go wrong in such a long time that they have probably forgotten those particular verbal responses, whereas MY language could serve to post-heat my welds, alas.

[H80N]

H8o, I would be interested if you could re post that shielding gas video that Ryan mentioned.

That was one of Jody's on using Helium mixes to boost heat when TIG welding aluminum with an underpowered welding machine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvk8rH05ADU

Here are more from him... same subject.. but more recent (part 1 & 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhDvRJ7HZ6E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhJy7SbtH6s&feature=iv&src_vid=yhDvRJ7HZ6E&annotation_id=annotation_22469189

[Ironken]

Skookumer. More skookumer. I use them. My wife makes fun of me too. I also like seeberdeeber, seebler and shmoo...amongst a few others.

I lived outside Seattle for 10 years, so maybe I picked it up then. Not sure.

But something is REALLY much more skookumer, then it's skookum choocher.

Used in a sentence...."that new ground clamp that ironken got is the skookum choocher of ground clamps."

The Praxair links were good too. Seems like you posted a link to a video talking about welding gases a while back too. That one was good. If my memory is correct, it was about argon and helium though.

I picked up "skookum" and "choocher" from this youtube tool guy that goes by Ave. He says some funny s!#t and is pretty sharp.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WvszAb0Y0Ec

H8o, I would be interested if you could re post that shielding gas video that Ryan mentioned.

[Ironken]

Actually... I thought the link to the Praxair manuals was more useful..

http://catalogs.praxairdirect.com/i/...al-manuals/110

lots of good info there....

....

That manual in now on my Google Drive. Good find....I had an older version saved.

[ryanjones2150]

Skookumer. More skookumer. I use them. My wife makes fun of me too. I also like seeberdeeber, seebler and shmoo...amongst a few others.

I lived outside Seattle for 10 years, so maybe I picked it up then. Not sure.

But something is REALLY much more skookumer, then it's skookum choocher.

Used in a sentence...."that new ground clamp that ironken got is the skookum choocher of ground clamps."

The Praxair links were good too. Seems like you posted a link to a video talking about welding gases a while back too. That one was good. If my memory is correct, it was about argon and helium though.

[H80N]

Thanks H80n for the "skookum" links.

Actually... I thought the link to the Praxair manuals was more useful..

http://catalogs.praxairdirect.com/i/...al-manuals/110

lots of good info there....

....

[old jupiter]

I'd like to see an expert in Northwest coast indian languages have a look at that Wikipedia entry, because some of it doesn't sound right. The cited sources seem not to include any linguistics experts. However, that entry links to one on "Chinook Jargon" that looks much more authoritative.


From the Wikipedia entry: Skookum is a Chinook Jargon word that has come into occasional use in the Pacific Northwest.^[1]
The word skookum has three main meanings:

1. (in regional English) an adjective with a variety of positive connotations;
2. a monster; similar to the sasquatch.
3. a souvenir doll once common in the United States in tourist areas.

Here in the greater Seattle/east Puget Sound area all of us early baby-boomers were told as kids (often in Boy Scouts) about "Chinook-talk" and grew up with the word Skookum, with the meanings "good, fine, excellent, well-done." And that was all. And nobody says "skookumer."

Whatever, Ironken is right, you need the right clamps to get the plenty skookum welds.

[Ironken]

Thanks H80n for the "skookum" links.

[H80N]

Hey Ryan.....All of my new machines get better work leads and "more skookumer" clamps. Good advice! Just outta curiosity....where did you come up with the term "skookum"? My wife makes fun of me when I use it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skookum

BTW.. you might find these informative...

Worth downloading for reference..

http://catalogs.praxairdirect.com/i/...al-manuals/110

[Ironken]

C25 will run smoother, but also check and make sure you have a good ground. Replace the junky ground clamp that comes with that machine with one that's a bit more skookum.

Hey Ryan.....All of my new machines get better work leads and "more skookumer" clamps. Good advice! Just outta curiosity....where did you come up with the term "skookum"? My wife makes fun of me when I use it.

[old jupiter]

Ditto the C-15, which will do nearly all the jobs you're likely to do (depending on who's filling the bottles, nominal C-15 might be actual C-20, since CO2 is cheaper than Argon). As compared with C-25, less burn-through, easier to carry out of position, less spatter. A lot of big operators use this, including Genie Industries (man-lifts) in this area.