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  • Another mig technique question

    these kinds of questions are gettin old but I still gotta ask.

    i have a mm251 runnin c25 gas with .035 wire.

    how do i vertical weld, does anyone have the settings for this also.
    i know its some kind of weave but when i do any kind of vertical weld it just dribbles down the bead, it looks like the tinman took a s*@%^ on it.

    any answers or info will be a great help..

  • #2
    If you're going vertical up, the first thing you have to do is run a lower voltage and wirespeed setting then you would in a flat or horz. position.

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    • #3
      Hey Farmboy,
      When I work with my son (A.K.A. Little Bulldog) I teach him vert down. He's only 10 and he has a tough time with his hand control. The first pic is of one of his welds and the second is a pic of his weld when I held his hand and slowed him down a bit. We were welding 1/4" angle to 1/2" c.r.. I think the setting was 21.8 and 427 with c25 and .035.
      Good Luck
      Bulldog
      Attached Files
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      MM 210
      MM 251 MIA
      MM 350 P w/Python
      Syncrowave 250
      w/ tig runner
      Trailblazer 302
      12RC w/meters
      Spectrum 1000
      Spectrum 2050
      2 Black BWEs
      Joker BWE
      Star & stripe BWE Digital
      2 star & stripe xlix's

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bulldog
        Hey Farmboy,
        When I work with my son (A.K.A. Little Bulldog) I teach him vert down. He's only 10 and he has a tough time with his hand control. The first pic is of one of his welds and the second is a pic of his weld when I held his hand and slowed him down a bit. We were welding 1/4" angle to 1/2" c.r.. I think the setting was 21.8 and 427 with c25 and .030.
        Good Luck
        Bulldog
        WOW ,10 yrs old ! he's already good ! What technique (oscilation) do you teach him to use ie: zig zag, circles , c's ???

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        • #5
          Havik,
          We try different things to see what works for him. He has put down some real nice beads and he has put down some real stinkers...(I guess we all have). We have a little competition and he loves it when I let him beat me... As far as techniqe he's all over the place. I've shown him a few techniqes and he uses them all... All at the same time! One minute he'll be runnin' NNN's and then 2 seconds later he turnin' CCC. I can't keep him in control. I know one thing when he picks up his stars and strips he's always smiling and the first thing he always says is hey Dad check this one out!!!
          Bulldog
          5 Passport Pluses
          2 MM 212's
          MM 210
          MM 251 MIA
          MM 350 P w/Python
          Syncrowave 250
          w/ tig runner
          Trailblazer 302
          12RC w/meters
          Spectrum 1000
          Spectrum 2050
          2 Black BWEs
          Joker BWE
          Star & stripe BWE Digital
          2 star & stripe xlix's

          REAL TRUCKS RATTLE
          CUMMINS BABY

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          • #6
            Your boy has some talent. Nice job, looks like the nut has not fallen far from the tree . Keep up the training and Little Bulldog will be best in show....
            Laurence
            Every time I read one of your posts I think of the cartoon of the Father Son Bulldogs and him teaching how to catch a cat, Priceless.. I will be smiling all day

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            • #7
              Thanks Laurence! It's nice to have someone like my son to spend time with! Trust me he teaches me just as much as I teach him.
              Bulldog
              5 Passport Pluses
              2 MM 212's
              MM 210
              MM 251 MIA
              MM 350 P w/Python
              Syncrowave 250
              w/ tig runner
              Trailblazer 302
              12RC w/meters
              Spectrum 1000
              Spectrum 2050
              2 Black BWEs
              Joker BWE
              Star & stripe BWE Digital
              2 star & stripe xlix's

              REAL TRUCKS RATTLE
              CUMMINS BABY

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              • #8
                bulldog-

                I think that it is GREAT that you are teaching your son how to weld. and the welds look really nice too.........

                but

                ANYTHING OVER 1/8* SHOULD BE WELDED UPHILL (PENETRATION)

                ANYTHING UNDER 1/8* SHOULD BE WELDED DOWN HILL.....(HEAT INPUT/WARPAGE)

                dawg

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                • #9
                  Hey Dawg,
                  Thanks for your input! I tried to show him vert up but it's just to hard for him yet. To be totally honest with you for non-critical welds like the one shown in the pic (It's a small steel rack for the shop)I usually run vert down because it's just so much easier... For the more critical stuff I do use vert up and about 7 or 8 % less amps and about 5% slower wire speed. (Then horz work)
                  Bulldog
                  5 Passport Pluses
                  2 MM 212's
                  MM 210
                  MM 251 MIA
                  MM 350 P w/Python
                  Syncrowave 250
                  w/ tig runner
                  Trailblazer 302
                  12RC w/meters
                  Spectrum 1000
                  Spectrum 2050
                  2 Black BWEs
                  Joker BWE
                  Star & stripe BWE Digital
                  2 star & stripe xlix's

                  REAL TRUCKS RATTLE
                  CUMMINS BABY

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                  • #10
                    no prob man - thats why we have sites like this (to help each other out)

                    try doing a U movement ..........it will help alot......

                    dawg


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