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  • #31
    85Camaro

    Do whatever turns your tires.

    Cheap gas will turn mine, but i dont run it.

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    • #32
      gheesh !!!!!!!!!!!

      we get it dude !

      dawg

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      • #33
        If everyone is so excited about the Lincoln package then by all means go for it. Personally, Miller has been there for me with their customer service. They have answered questions for me about my old Miller machine and it hasn't cost me a dime. They also sponser this board which has been invaluable to me not to mention a pleasure to follow. I have nothing against Lincoln but I tend to be loyal to the ones that have been good to me. I work for a DoD contractor and every job I go on is for the Air Force. On every job I go to they (AF) supply me with some type of Miller welder. Like I said, their tech support has been good to me. My personal welder at home is a Miller. Just got lucky and got a good deal at the time. Had no brand loyalty at the time even though we were using Millers at school at the time. My local dealer sells both machines. He isn't pushing either one but he would give me just as good a deal on one as the other. So if quality is about the same and price is about the same then something has to be a deciding factor and Millers support gets my $.

        Kelly

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        • #34
          I'm not a "race team" or a "racer" I just like to fabricate parts on my own time for other people. I can understand Miller and Lincoln's point of view on not wanting to sponsor or discount everyone out there looking to have good time on the weekend even though I do have a business license and receive wholesale on material I use to fabricate with. I receive my parts discounts at my local supplier. I'm in there about once a month to refill my gasess and my consumables and he gives me whatever he can(breakfast, gloves, a tip here and there...the good stuff ).

          What I was trying to say is if I were able to get the same discount on miller's welders that I can get on material in my area, I would definitely have a blue tig welder right now instead of a maroon one. I do have a blue mig welder that has more than paid for itself and will more than likely continue to pay for itself in the future. And until I can get good enough and figure out a way to get a blue tig welder to pay for itself, I will stick with the maroon one for now because it has cost me half as much as a comparable blue.

          Correct me if I'm wrong but more than likely the big welding companies are a lot like the big video game companies. You guys probably make more profit, percentage wise, off of consumables than you do machines. EX: Sony actually loses money when they sell a playstation but for every playstation they sell they can make that money back by selling 1/3 of a game. So if the sell one game they can make whatever money they lost selling 3 machines.
          MillerMatic 210, ThermalArc 185, O/A Victor outfit

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          • #35
            I don't think any of the guys asking for a discount are being unreasonable. Neither do I feel we are wanting anything for free. I've spent thousands of dollors w/lincoln. So I feel they have made money off of me for there discount.
            I think everyone here takes care of those that take care of them. In like manner if Miller offered to a discount to teams it would motivate racer to buy welders. I realize Miller has excellent quality & you get what you pay for. But if Lincoln can offer discounts & still profit why can't Miller? I'm currently in the market for a Mig welder I would like a Miller. Lincoln takes care of us weekend poor boys racers they offer contingency money. Along w/disounts on schooling & welders. From my standpoint theres only one route to take.

            Thanks
            Joe
            Lincoln Precision Tig 185

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            • #36
              Joe, the only way that you get a discount from lincoln is if you attend one of there classes.......so by the time you fly to ecluid and get a hotel room and pay for the class..........well **** they should give you a machine for free

              they are both quality machines and worth 75% of what they sell them for

              dawg

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              • #37
                Originally posted by arcdawg
                Joe, the only way that you get a discount from lincoln is if you attend one of there classes.......so by the time you fly to ecluid and get a hotel room and pay for the class..........well **** they should give you a machine for free

                they are both quality machines and worth 75% of what they sell them for

                dawg
                Not really! All you have to do is call lincolns racing department. Tell them you will be racing like a discount for your team. They give you a special price & number which any retailer has to honor. YOu recieve a package banner & stickers. They give you a few hundred dollors off the best price your retailer gives you. Its that easy. I've done it a few times.

                thats all
                Joe
                Lincoln Precision Tig 185

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                • #38
                  I beat the retail price on my mm210 by nearly $500 when I bought it and that was because all my leases and gasses come from the same store and the guys know that what ever I need I'll buy it from them. They treat me well and I get a bit of a discount, just honesty and straight foreward description of my intentions. Be honest and ask for the discount and shop before you ask for it of course.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by pjseaman
                    I beat the retail price on my mm210 by nearly $500 when I bought it and that was because all my leases and gasses come from the same store and the guys know that what ever I need I'll buy it from them. They treat me well and I get a bit of a discount, just honesty and straight foreward description of my intentions. Be honest and ask for the discount and shop before you ask for it of course.
                    If you don't mind me asking what did you pay for it. As I am in the market for a mm210 myself
                    Lincoln Precision Tig 185

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                    • #40
                      That was two years ago, the price was a match plus a little from BRwelder.
                      http://www.brwelder.com/indextemplat...&SubCategory=1
                      This is the page I printed and took to my dealer and he dealt accordingly. I paid taxes for the local purchase and bought cylinders, wire and other such stuff. I can't remember the actual price---Judie wrote the check!

                      Peace,

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                      • #41
                        Well,
                        This got drawn out longer than I thought

                        Anyway,
                        We pride ourselves on not doing what the "joneses" do. Our program is different for a reason. They can not support the level of activity they are doing. They can not promote it enough and in our eyes, do things that are a waste of money and we won't follow that parade. We do things differently. We choose to pin-point our motorsports program to get the best bang for the buck. The "official" status of a sanctioning body for example is, in our eyes, is a waste of money. The sanctioning body only makes the rules. They don't weld! That's why we align ourselves with teams and builders. They are the ones that all us hobby builders/racers can relate to so it makes more sense to support them. We have to draw the line somewhere or soon we'll be giving discounts to everyone who has a hobby or a car. We give extra discounts to large companies that purchase volume too. We can't do that on an individual basis. Bottom line is that "L" is losing money by giving that much in untrackable discounts.

                        As far as discount structure within distribution and internet retailers, they all get the same discount! Even drop shipping is the same for dealers as internet sellers. The fact that IOC or others sell so low is they have systems in place that remove manual effort and also cut their web sales margins down because they don't have to provide much if any after support. Dealers can sell out of state with no tax just like internet dealers.

                        Hope this helps clear some things up.

                        Andy

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                        • #42
                          Please don't bash me if my numbers are wrong, but I have found them to be good enough for my transactions. Dealer cost for Miller products is 71.6% of MSRP. So MSRP on a Syncrowave 180SD Tigrunner package is $2082.00 (from the Miller website). $2082.00 x 0.716 = $1490.71 dealer cost. I think you find that it is fair for your dealer to make 10% over cost, so 78.76% of MSRP. $2082.00 x 0.7876 = $1639.78. In an ideal world, they would get MSRP, but that rarely happens. When have you every paid MSRP for a new car?

                          For the Syncrowave 180SD Tigrunner package I mentioned, IOC is selling it on eBay for $1698.77 and my local dealer was asking $1600.00. Not bad pricing at all from my local dealer and he still made $110 on the sale. One of the other welding shops in town was quoting me MSRP on all their products. I went in there recently and told them I spent over $5,000 last year on machines and was getting all my consumables at the other shop because they were just quoting me MSRP. The salesman quickly changed his tune and said that he quoted MSRP until he knew you were serious about buying something. I am coming in to purchase equipment, not kick tires!!! When he quotes me MSRP, I feel he's not serious about selling to me and take my business elsewhere.

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                          • #43
                            Isn't salesmanship interesting. How does the salesman know whether you are serious or not? Quoting the MSRP to a potential buyer will make the buyer who is "on the edge" of buying uninterested real fast. I've had that happen to me and found the internet a real friendly place to shop afterwards.

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                            • #44
                              Northernlights,

                              Your pretty close on your assumptions and calculations. Most dealers like a minimum 12-15% margin unless it's a larger company or volume sale then they slide to 9 or 10%. Some like more and some can go less if they don't have inhouse service or other customer benefits. Your local dealer must like you! I can't see why anyone would quote list price unless they are in an area that demand is high and they can get it. I know when hurricane season comes, a lot of dealers get list $ for Bobcats and Trailblazers.
                              Thanks for your dealer insite. I wouldn't purchase from them either. I think he was trying you out to see if he could get it! More commission for him.

                              Andy

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                              • #45
                                You can also negotiate. I did that on my plasma cutter. Local dealer quoted me a not bad price, but I could do much better on Inet. So we talked. I am willing to pay a bit more to local dealer to keep them there when I need to run down and get something need RIGHT now.

                                So he checked and worked out a deal that worked for both of us.

                                Another local dealer had a salesman that would work out deals to get you buying from him, figuring most customers will come back for repeat purchases if they are happy. He left, the new sales people didn't think that way, and they lost the next two rigs sales. Oh well.

                                But if NOTHING else, Miller ought to think about making decals and banners more accessible to US. I would put a banner up in my shop, if they gave me one, but no way I am going to PAY for it.

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