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  • HAWK
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    Good choice.

    Even if you never opt for the LP conversion the new Robin engines are not the same animal as the Onans of the years gone by. Fifteen years ago Onan would have had my vote, but no longer as you have already read.

    By the way converting the engine to LP will probably derate the welding output by a small percentage in 5% neighborhood.

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    Well the 302G Kohler unit is on the way, I have been researching this for over a 2 month period. Onan/Robin replied the unit could not be converted to LP/Gas due to overheating and possible head damage. Words from there own mouth...
    Thanks Hawk for your help & I will let everyone know how it works out...

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  • Scott V
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    From The Hobart board.

    http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...ad.php?t=10087

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  • klsm54
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    Originally posted by lramberson
    I have convinced myself the Onan/Robin engine is a better product than the Kohler but I will be sacrificing the ability to run LP gas I would like the lpg option but oh well..
    I have had several Onan powered welders converted to run on LP at my local Onan dealer. Unless they have changed something recently, it should not be a problem.

    My 2cents on the choice of welders, buy Blue and never look back..JMHO

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  • Scott V
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    Originally posted by lramberson
    I am leaning toward the Kohler engine at the present time due to two factors:
    1) the ability to run LP Gas. a good thing in plant operations & free fuel from a few people I work with..
    2) The parts availibility.
    I have been told of poor factory service from Kohler but I have not been given the full facts yet. I will talk to my distributor a little more on this.
    In the discussion with the BoilerMaker , He kinda force fed me reality and brought me full circle on my initial feelings with Onan/Robin. Also received a notification from Jack with Onan/Robin that the engine could not be converted to LPG without sacrificing reliability.(and warranty)
    All the pieces are starting to fall into place.
    The positive for Onan/Robin Is it is rated with a little more horsepower and has a strong reputation for quality...
    Thanks Hawk for your help..


    The Ranger 305G uses the 22 HP Kohler. A rental yard bought over 300-305 g before I bought mine. This info is from one of the smartest techs out here. He told me these guys did their homework on the 305 G. So did Lincoln as far as I am concerned.

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    I am leaning toward the Kohler engine at the present time due to two factors:
    1) the ability to run LP Gas. a good thing in plant operations & free fuel from a few people I work with..
    2) The parts availibility.
    I have been told of poor factory service from Kohler but I have not been given the full facts yet. I will talk to my distributor a little more on this.
    In the discussion with the BoilerMaker , He kinda force fed me reality and brought me full circle on my initial feelings with Onan/Robin. Also received a notification from Jack with Onan/Robin that the engine could not be converted to LPG without sacrificing reliability.(and warranty)
    All the pieces are starting to fall into place.
    The positive for Onan/Robin Is it is rated with a little more horsepower and has a strong reputation for quality...
    Thanks Hawk for your help..

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  • HAWK
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    There have been horror stories concerning warranty, etc on the new Robin engines used by Miller. I have heard it from 2 dealers and 3 owners of the TB 301G with the Robin engine.

    My TB 301G was a Kohler powered machine. I really liked it and had absolutely no complaints. I prefer the Kohler for parts availability and its prevalence among engine powered equipment today.

    About 9 months ago there was a post from a Robin rep . Take a look at this and see what you think.

    Either way you go you will probably be fine. However, I have a good gut feeling about Kohler where I do not about Robin. I wish I could tell you more, but that is all I really know. That is my opinion and it is your money. Let me know what you decide.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Hawk one last item..
    Your feeling on Kohler or Onan/Robin?

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  • Scott V
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    "I have had a few Thermal arc inverters and engine drives. I understand they have become much better with their equipment and customer service in the past few years."

    That is about to change. Thermal within the last few months, has pretty much went through their ranks and chopped off anybody that makes over a certain amount of money. The bean counters have made two rounds of cuts. What does this mean out here? We now have the best welding rep working for esab!!!

    Hawk, have you ran the red machine in the short or spray-arc? I sure the Miller is close but I doubt it would surpass the Lincoln. Spray-arc with big solid wire, the extra volts could come in handy.

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  • HAWK
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    BCarlucci,

    I have posted more than once relating the good value of service and the good service Miller gives. I have also experienced some major headaches with Lincoln trying to get service and technical instructions.

    Sberry,

    I am partially brand sensitive to Miller, but in the past have owned several Lincoln machines. I believe in using what will do the best job within a price range. Outside that range it does not matter what machine is better because I cannot afford it anyway.

    lramberson,

    In addition to Miller and Lincoln I have had a few Thermal arc inverters and engine drives. I understand they have become much better with their equipment and customer service in the past few years. When it comes to standard welding machines for home, hobby, shop, and mobile use I generally prefer Miller. Outside this arena are specialty machine manufacturers for specific jobs. Since neither Miller nor Lincoln makes this stuff, one must look these other suppliers.

    As I said before the Rangers have a super sweet arc on the 6010 rod, but not much difference overall other than being quieter. What I did not tell you is I was offered a substantial discount to get one of the Lincoln machines since they were special ordered for me to demo. Instead I bought the Trailblazer 301G. Before that I had a Bobcat, and before the BC a Blue Star 180. All these machines serverd me well.

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  • BCarlucci
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    Hey guys,

    I was down in NJ at Miller school last week and had a chance to run the new 302G and let me tell you i fell in love with the machine, it's just sweet. We looked at all angles of the 302G compared to the 305G from Red, and the instructor gave us the straight answer "If you want to talk about the look and penitration of the weld, the 302G holds up to the 305G, The chopper tech gives you a little softer arc on striking rod." But i always stay true to blue, customer service is great, you call their tech support and they treat you like a person not some Idiot like Red. Bad experiances with Red on this end. So stay with your 1st choice if i was you. Hope this helps a little. And PS. you pay for what you get.

    BC

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Sorry you took it wrong Fun, I was making a joke that you would get the machine and like it so much you would just burn a rod an see how it works. Just a little rod, say a 3/32 7018. Hum pretty smooth, let me try it on this little bumper I was thinking of making to fit my new tailgate (every new tailgate needs a new bumper ) Seem pretty sweet, The new dx just came in, Be kind a shame not to test the a/c performance while were set up an running . I hope you see my humor & poke Again sorry you took it wrong.
    Now on to business.
    Thanks Hawk that is exactly what I thougt, marketing hype. I was looking at the volt/amp curve and thougt the same, just need to be told to think what I was looking at(forest or trees) The light is now on.
    The BoilerMaker cornered me last night and the discussion was on...
    After all was said(and drank) the feeling he has is the performance in more than there. Apples to apples line graph to flip chart I am staying blue.
    Thank for all your help in this desision
    Happy Holidays To All

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  • Sberry
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    I have 8 red and 2 blue, they are all good. The only one I have had any problem with has been the Red plaz. It made a great cut but the torch left a lot to be desired and it finally gave it up, crapped a card and it was over my head to fix it. 800 for a new one, I bought a Spec 2750 instead, actually I liked the cut better from the Lincoln,,, but when I went to buy a new one the dealer said,, I wouldnt want to sell you a red plaz, he carries both and thinks the blue is superior. I have 7 Lincoln welders. all have been pretty good, no major complaints. I think if my dealer had carried both when I bought some of them I may have looked at blue. The Spec is the first new machine I had bought in 10 yrs or so and now the local dealer has been bought and carries 3 brands. I am not super brand sensitive, if it makes sparks when its sposed to its fine by me. The arc quality of my little AC/DC tombstone, got it when it first came out is about as good as any machine I have used, at least as good as my skill as an operator will allow.

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  • DDA52
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    If you really want to find out how they both perform, just go rent both for a day and burn some rods. After that, get the one you like best........no matter what color it is. We will forgive you if it isn't BLUE. That might cost you a few pennies, but it would be well spent if you like what you get.

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  • Paul Seaman
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    Hey guys keep it peaceful, we are all out for the same thing, knowledge. We remember things someone else did or said and sometimes relate to the point at hand. Point we are a group of mostly miller machine owners, for good reasons and some not so good reasons, counter-point ask a question about a lincoln machine here the answer is automaticly loaded to backfire.

    We all have our opinion, and it is just that ours, we share for free and you get what you paid for! Similar case Hawk likes lanthanated tungsten, I prefer ceriated but am learning to use lanthanated- why? because I wonder why Hawk likes it so well and it does do a good job. Will I ever like it better, maybe not but I gave a different opinion a chance and make an informed decision.

    This is my advice explore the options and take the models in question for a test drive, then you know what works for you, and you are the one making the decision{and writing the check}. Make informed decisions and try not to look for an unbiased opinion in a potentially biased arena and get upset by the response.

    Lets all play nice, OK

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