Hi
How to explain this in simple mans terms?
I'm 23, I hate working for family, and I like challenges.
I am currently building a 1990 audi coupe quattro that I have converted to European S2 spec. This is the first car I that I have ever built and it took four years. I taught my self how to do everything. Reading schematics, putting motors together, wiring, turbo charging, Suspension overhaul, tranny and rear differential work etc.
To be honest I have never even welded anything yet in my life time.
So here's my challenge:
I want to build a mid engine coupe quattro. I have everything planned out and I know it will work even though no one's done it before. The front and rear subframes are identical except for the rear diff mount which can be easily cut off.
I basically have to flip the rear subframe, which will allows the tranny to mount to it for mid engine applications. I also have to flip the rear suspension from left to right and vice versus. Which allows the tie rods to match up to the rear subframe. Flipping the subframe around even attaches to the stock bolt positions. I even have a couple of options for sway bars. I won't mention whats needed for: electrical, coolant plumbing, fuel tank moving, power steering plumbing etc. But it's not really that bad.
Basically I will need to weld in:
engine mounts
exhaust system
some tubing for chassis stiffness
Tubing to run cables through the front engine tranny tunnel for the clutch and throttle body. Tubing to run coolant through for the radiator if I choose to do a front radiator setup. However I am leaning towards a rear radiator setup. Nevertheless I want to run stainless steel tubing as much as possible vs silicone lines.
Probably mounts for the rear radiator setup.
Tubing for the porsche boxster cable shifter
New fuel line brackets
Possibly new brake line brackets
Here are pics of the older front engine setup which have welded on engine mounts:
The new audi 90 series came with replaceable engine mounts:
http://www.impexfap.com/partpics/resized/rsP001466.jpg
http://www.impexfap.com/partpics/resized/rsP001434.jpg
These are what I want to use because this will allow me to drop the motor from the bottom of the car.
Basically I need to fabricate brackets for these to attach too.
I am considering Cutting out a front end of a B4 audi 90 sedan and welding in it's frame rails.
This is another fellow enthusiasts car:
http://www.urs4.com/logbook/RS2CQ/photos/103_0360.JPG
I bought the car for $1500 and it's nothing in comparison to what they typically sell for these days. I am keeping the majority of the parts off the car for my current project the S2 conversion as back up parts.
I don't believe I will fail at building this car but I do believe it's going to take a long time. To me time is not a problem. Especially with new england
winters.
Ironically They build nascars tube frame a couple of towns over from me. Worse case senario I can see if they will help me with my swap. I also am friends with the guys that own a body shop not to far from me.
I may take night classes to learn how to weld but I figured I read a couple of books and have a couple of my construction buddies come over and show me a thing or two. I also am friends with the Sculpture department at RISD in providence and they could help me learn how to weld.
Basically I am typing all this becuase I wanted you to know even thought I am going to jump in the deep end of the pool with out learning how to swim. I am not affraid to learn how to swim even thought I might even sink.
I also have idea/parts I want to build to sell to people.
The problem with coupe quattros is that the tie rod attachment placement is far enough up the front strut housing that when you put coil overs on the struts you can't lower the car as much as you like becuase of the tie rod mount.
I want to fabricate a sleeve that fits over rear strut housing that allows for a 45 degree angle upward to meet to the stock front strut housing tie rod placement.
The rear strut housing do not have a tie rod mount on them and they are interchangeable with the front housing because they are both Mcpherson strut designs.
This basically would allow another 1-2inchs of dropping which in my case would allow the car to sit lower with a mid engine design.
Ironically the Rallye s2's have this same design setup but no one can get there hands on them:
http://www.80tq.com/gallery_albums/E...int7.sized.jpg
You can see the cnc machines hub carriers with built in tie rod mounts that angle upward.
http://members.aol.com/bookdtodie/padsinstalled.jpg
Basically what welder should I consider buying from miller?
To do all this stuff.
I want to be able to fabricate exhaust systems with v-band clamps too.
I also will need to build intercooler tubing.
What welder would allow me to weld aluminum and stainless steel?
Any good books you guys might point out?
My car:
http://members.cox.net/livinotte/DSC004435.jpg
http://members.cox.net/livinotte/DSC00419.jpg
Last but least you ask why I might do this?
To learn. To do it and have it work is a positive. To do it and fail at it, it's ok. Cause I will still learn.
To brag about it. I sappose it's no different than what's on telivision these days with jesse james and all them.
To actually create something I thought of in my head.
Builds the ego up nicely.
I guess I will keep it this short for now. I am sure if some one replies to this I might have more questions.
thanks
Josh
Anyone know of a good night welding classes to take in the Providence RI Area?
How to explain this in simple mans terms?
I'm 23, I hate working for family, and I like challenges.
I am currently building a 1990 audi coupe quattro that I have converted to European S2 spec. This is the first car I that I have ever built and it took four years. I taught my self how to do everything. Reading schematics, putting motors together, wiring, turbo charging, Suspension overhaul, tranny and rear differential work etc.
To be honest I have never even welded anything yet in my life time.
So here's my challenge:
I want to build a mid engine coupe quattro. I have everything planned out and I know it will work even though no one's done it before. The front and rear subframes are identical except for the rear diff mount which can be easily cut off.
I basically have to flip the rear subframe, which will allows the tranny to mount to it for mid engine applications. I also have to flip the rear suspension from left to right and vice versus. Which allows the tie rods to match up to the rear subframe. Flipping the subframe around even attaches to the stock bolt positions. I even have a couple of options for sway bars. I won't mention whats needed for: electrical, coolant plumbing, fuel tank moving, power steering plumbing etc. But it's not really that bad.
Basically I will need to weld in:
engine mounts
exhaust system
some tubing for chassis stiffness
Tubing to run cables through the front engine tranny tunnel for the clutch and throttle body. Tubing to run coolant through for the radiator if I choose to do a front radiator setup. However I am leaning towards a rear radiator setup. Nevertheless I want to run stainless steel tubing as much as possible vs silicone lines.
Probably mounts for the rear radiator setup.
Tubing for the porsche boxster cable shifter
New fuel line brackets
Possibly new brake line brackets
Here are pics of the older front engine setup which have welded on engine mounts:
The new audi 90 series came with replaceable engine mounts:
http://www.impexfap.com/partpics/resized/rsP001466.jpg
http://www.impexfap.com/partpics/resized/rsP001434.jpg
These are what I want to use because this will allow me to drop the motor from the bottom of the car.
Basically I need to fabricate brackets for these to attach too.
I am considering Cutting out a front end of a B4 audi 90 sedan and welding in it's frame rails.
This is another fellow enthusiasts car:
http://www.urs4.com/logbook/RS2CQ/photos/103_0360.JPG
I bought the car for $1500 and it's nothing in comparison to what they typically sell for these days. I am keeping the majority of the parts off the car for my current project the S2 conversion as back up parts.
I don't believe I will fail at building this car but I do believe it's going to take a long time. To me time is not a problem. Especially with new england
winters.
Ironically They build nascars tube frame a couple of towns over from me. Worse case senario I can see if they will help me with my swap. I also am friends with the guys that own a body shop not to far from me.
I may take night classes to learn how to weld but I figured I read a couple of books and have a couple of my construction buddies come over and show me a thing or two. I also am friends with the Sculpture department at RISD in providence and they could help me learn how to weld.
Basically I am typing all this becuase I wanted you to know even thought I am going to jump in the deep end of the pool with out learning how to swim. I am not affraid to learn how to swim even thought I might even sink.
I also have idea/parts I want to build to sell to people.
The problem with coupe quattros is that the tie rod attachment placement is far enough up the front strut housing that when you put coil overs on the struts you can't lower the car as much as you like becuase of the tie rod mount.
I want to fabricate a sleeve that fits over rear strut housing that allows for a 45 degree angle upward to meet to the stock front strut housing tie rod placement.
The rear strut housing do not have a tie rod mount on them and they are interchangeable with the front housing because they are both Mcpherson strut designs.
This basically would allow another 1-2inchs of dropping which in my case would allow the car to sit lower with a mid engine design.
Ironically the Rallye s2's have this same design setup but no one can get there hands on them:
http://www.80tq.com/gallery_albums/E...int7.sized.jpg
You can see the cnc machines hub carriers with built in tie rod mounts that angle upward.
http://members.aol.com/bookdtodie/padsinstalled.jpg
Basically what welder should I consider buying from miller?
To do all this stuff.
I want to be able to fabricate exhaust systems with v-band clamps too.
I also will need to build intercooler tubing.
What welder would allow me to weld aluminum and stainless steel?
Any good books you guys might point out?
My car:
http://members.cox.net/livinotte/DSC004435.jpg
http://members.cox.net/livinotte/DSC00419.jpg
Last but least you ask why I might do this?
To learn. To do it and have it work is a positive. To do it and fail at it, it's ok. Cause I will still learn.
To brag about it. I sappose it's no different than what's on telivision these days with jesse james and all them.
To actually create something I thought of in my head.
Builds the ego up nicely.
I guess I will keep it this short for now. I am sure if some one replies to this I might have more questions.
thanks
Josh
Anyone know of a good night welding classes to take in the Providence RI Area?
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