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  • jeffscarstrucks
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    Kind of related....has anyone ever used an Ineco brand bender? It is a stand up hydraulic unit($8k new). Good or Bad; servicable. I'm looking at one as part of a larger group of equipment I'm trying to buy but I've never seen one of these. Thanks, JEFF

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  • snow
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    Hello Chopper

    I see someone has already posted the web site for Mittler Bro's........Thanks.

    As you can see, the Mittler Bro tubing notcher is quite the machine......But it costs about 4000 by the time you buy the cutters........Obviously not a tool for the weekend hobbyist.......But the only tool to have for a production shop making alot of notches.......

    Price of the Hossfeld vs Pro........I think that the basic Hossfeld bender new is 750........It seems at one time you got one set of dies with it for that price........But, That may have been a special sale.......Not sure if that is always the case........

    You can often find the bender on e-bay for a couple hundred bucks........

    OK......You cannot bend larger tubing without the hydraulics on a hossfeld........or maybe you can with a 20ft lever.......lol

    If you buy the hossfeld hydraulics system, you would be looking at around 4000 bucks..........

    I don't recall the Pro price for thier hydraulics.........but it is expensive as well......

    You can build your own system cheap in comparison........300-400 for the pump.......100-200 for the cylinder.......75 for the valve and 100 for the hoses........... fab a few brackets and you are in business......

    This is also a better system than either company sells........

    If you can build a chopper, you can certainly build your own hydraulic system

    Another advantage of building your own system is that you can bend to 90 or past in one shot........Depending on what you are building, this is BIG......A race car hoop for example........Everytime you have to advance to the next notch on the bender, you release the presure on the hoop and have to be carefull that it does not fall.......or it will be out of flat.......

    No question, the hossfeld will cost more than the pro........But it is MUCH faster and easier to use........

    The hossfeld actually makes better bends as well..........The hossfeld dies "neck" down the tubing slighty to form the bend better........the Pro dies do not.......the Pro dies will thin and flatten the outside of the bend more than the hossfeld..........I do consider the pro bends to be "good" bends (wrinkle free)........But the hossfeld bends are better.........

    If the funds are an issue, you can shop around a bit......pick up componets used........I paid 200 for the bender (e-bay), 175 for the pump new (e-bay) 75 for the valve and 80 for the hoses.........brackets and mounts I just used some scrap laying around........

    I bought the die sets new.........any where from 175 for smaller tubing to 300 for the largest.........Die sets are exspensive........and the hossfeld do cost a bit more than the pro........but it is well worth it in my lowly opinion.......

    good luck,
    snowman

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    I talked to jim over at pro tools and they have a upgraded 105 comming out in 6+ weeks with increased capacity... I am waiting for the new unit & will let you guys know how it works out. I am out of the pocket for that long earning money for the project and toys

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  • OFN
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    Originally posted by Chopper
    Snow, do you have a link to the Mittler Bros Tubing notcher? A website address? Thanks again for the info? Also how much of a difference is there in price between the Haussfield bender and the pro-tools one?
    http://www.mittlerbros.com/

    On the difference, there are a lot and a little, if that makes sense. A lot of people are going with the Pro-Tools or JD2 simply because of price and the ability to adapt hydro easier. I've heard it's a PITA to do with a haussfield, but I've got no experience. I know the Haussfield has a LOT more options available to it, besides just bending tube, so that is a perk in their court, but I've heard their overall design is a little week.

    Now, alot of what I just posted is borderline hear-say or rumor. I've only got experience with the JD2 and Pro-Tools, so, take it for what it's worth...

    KP

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  • Chopper
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    Reply to snow

    Snow, do you have a link to the Mittler Bros Tubing notcher? A website address? Thanks again for the info? Also how much of a difference is there in price between the Haussfield bender and the pro-tools one?

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  • OFN
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    http://www.offroadfabnet.com/index.p...iewtopic&t=184

    There's a mini write-up here on converting one from manual to hydro.

    IMO, I would not go less than either the JD2 model 3 or the Pro-Tools 105HD. Both have shown to hold up well in the heavier wall applications. The standard model 105 from pro-tools is notorious for bending and sometimes ripping the arms...

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  • Bendaman
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    I've had the Pro 105HD for a few years now. I think it is a good bender. I also
    have 8 or 9 die sets for it. I went with all 240degree die sets instead of the stanard 120degree sets. (price is also greater). Be prepared to mount to
    floor if you dont get hydraulic option. I've bent 1 3/4 .120 Dom and 2" .120
    Dom. I thought it did fine. Be prepared for a little bit of a learning curve,
    pratice, pratice (heard that before I bet). I also have a good friend who has
    a Mitler Bros. bender, it also works great. Maybe its just me, but it does
    take a little pratice to get good with it, I have a whole shed full of "almost
    perfect" bends. I also have the Pro-tools heavy duty notcher, I use it in the drill press, It does a good job up to about 55 to 60 degrees.
    Another handy tool to go along with tubing work is a Digital Protrator,
    I got mine from Mitler Bros. but many places make them.
    Hope this helps.

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  • snow
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    Just realized, You are probably refering to the type of notcher one turns with a 1/2 drill........The Pro is one of the better ones........If memory serves, it has a bigger shaft and needle bearings......Most of the competition uses a smaller shaft and a collar........You can find these on E-bay.

    Good Luck

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  • snow
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    I prefer the Hossfeld bender. The inital cost is much higher but it will pay off in time saved if this is more than a hobby.

    Hossfeld vs Pro........The Pro bender is a good bender, it that it makes good, wrinkle free bends.......Pro will tell you that it will easily bend 1 3/4 dom......The truth is, it is difficult to say the least.......quite a workout to get it done.

    The Pro is much more time consuming........you have to remove the dies to get the tube in or out and use a set screw to hold it in place. Not really a big deal on a single bend piece, But a real pain on a hoop. I would guess that it takes at least four times longer to bend with a Pro than a Hossfeld.

    Quality of bends........I have already said that a pro will make good bends.....It does.......but a Hossfeld makes Excellent bends in comparison..........The Hossfeld dies are much better.......they FORM the tube in the bend........they limit the streching much better than Pro dies........

    The only good thing about the Pro when compared to Hossfeld is the initial price..........and the cheaper price is a loser for any production work...........


    Sounds like I'm ripping the Pro.......I'm not......it is much better than most other types of rachet or bottlejack benders.........If it's for hobby or low usage......Perhaps it's just the ticket.......After all, you can't bend the tubing with a Hossfeld with out hydraulics.........

    You can save quite a bit by building your own hydraulic system......for either bender.

    Notcher..........Mittler Bros ultimate tubing notcher..........If the budget allows, this is the only way to go............ the Pro notcher you mentioned, it is sort of a copy of the Mittler Bro design........The difference is the Mittler clamps the tube in a cross vise and feeds the tube into the cutter........the Pro clamps the tube in the vise and slides the whole motor/cutter assembly into the tube.........I believe the Mittler design to be better.

    Good Luck

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  • Blackplague
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    I own a jd2 model 3 and love it.

    I'm in process of converting it to hydraulic {many web sites showing how}. You can check out the model 3 at www.jd2.com or www.vansant.com

    I love my model 3. there are a ton of different radius dies to choose from. The only thing i don't like about it is the degree wheel . The protool 105 has a machined degree ring and the model 3 has a silk screened {painted}.

    I started with a cheap harbor freight notcher that worked ok {for the price}, but now i use my mill.

    There is a lot of the pro 105 vs model 3 out there. You couldn't go wrong with either.

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  • GunLocators
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    lol No Problem

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    Many thanks Gun, my search engine was not capable of pulling this up, I guess I need to refill to the tank with super....

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  • GunLocators
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    http://www.pro-tools.com/

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    Can you help me find the link to pro-tools if they have a web site?

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  • tackit
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    Here one, I don't know what the tightest radius you can order for it is though.

    http.www.landtman.com/tb.html

    I don't know why anyone would want to tug on a handle when you can just pump a jack handle until the desired degree your wanting is indicated on a magnetic angle finder?

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