What's it worth used?

[Too_Many_Tools]

We are all looking for a "good" deal when it comes to used equipment.

Well, I am interested (as I suspect others are) in what you consider constitutes a "good deal" in the world of welding.

If an used 200DX or 180SD became available for sale, what would you consider a good used price to be for either one?

As a matter of reference, on Ebay the 200DX goes for $2670....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=45031&item=3841387036&rd=1

and the 180SD goes for $1525....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34096&item=2532609284&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V

In other words, how much would you write your check for and which one would you buy?

Thanks

TMT

[dyn88]

it would depend greatly upon the condition and age of the used welder. A used macine still under waranty and in good condition is worth 5% less than the lowest price available to somebody looking for that very machine. if you just want to get rid of same machine it would be worth whatever the best offer you recieve in the time frame you need it say 10-20% less. A beat up machine not still under warantee is probably top dollar at 5-15% again to the same guy looking to purchase that very machine at that very time and has the money not "will get the money after I sell my 89 5.0 mustang for 3000 in parts"(sorry that day will never come and he will never own a 200dx, maybe the 180sd if he has a desperate friend with insurance money that just smashed his 89 5.0 mustang)
All in all you can see a used machine sometimes sell on ebay for more than it is new. Some people get caught up in the moment and make poor decisions. If you are looking to buy a machine than that machine is worth the amount you are willing to pay.
If you are selling a used machine(let me know HEHE) Your best bet is to keep your eyes open and sell it on ebay but set a resonable reserve.
although if miller comes out with a new machine to replace the dynasty 200dx than the value of said machine will drop, probably, drastically shortly after the introduction of the new model.Ouch it hurts to buy new technology only to be duped a week later by the hot new model.301g-302 perfect example(start watching prices of 301gs on ebay in a month or three)
Sorry if I confused you, I cofused myself towards the end, and I hope that this helps a little.( if not I can talk ij a few more circles for you).

[HAWK]

Too Many Tools,

A used D200DX with all accessories in very good condition has been selling around $2100. You may find one for less, but buyer beware. A S180DX in similar condition will bring around $1100. These prices are not engraved in stone. As dyn88 mentioned a machine is worth what you are willing to pay.

[Scott V]

Maybe the wrong color but-

a deal just the same

Here is what I found at the welding store. Almost new for $450.00
Also a demo feeder in great shape with the 400 amp gun for $500.00

Both work perfect and I am passing the ac/dc inverter deal on to a needy newby tig student.

The feeder is really a good unit and has a neat pulse unit that bolts into it for my new 350 mpi thats on it's way.

[cope]

a deal just the same

Here is what I found at the welding store. Almost new for $450.00

Both work perfect and I am passing the ac/dc inverter deal on to a needy newby tig student.

Scott, I believe Will is going to be a very happy man.

[Scott V]

Here is the other side when you buy a Milller!! People think because it says Miller it just has to be a deal. I would love to slap some of these morons but I guess it takes all kinds?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11774&item=3840204355&rd=1

[2002vlx]

Christ, if I had the money right now I'd jump on that Esab Tig! It'd be perfect for the sheet metal work I'm doing right now.

There's several people with bikes like mine (they have small gas tanks--2.4-2.9 gallons depending on the year) that want wider gas tanks, but all the bike and welding shops want between $400-$600 to do it. I saw one done for $400 that was absolutely horrible and must have had a half gallon of bondo on it. I've had auto body training and like to work with sheet metal, so I bought a tank and started cutting on it. I'll widen it a total of ~4 inches in the front and ~2 in the rear, and post pics upon completion. The price will be around $300 for the service, and I'm going to be earning it! Fitting this stuff up is definitely time-consuming!

Sorry to hijack the thread but it is motorsports related!

[cope]

Here is the other side when you buy a Milller!! People think because it says Miller it just has to be a deal. I would love to slap some of these morons but I guess it takes all kinds?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...840204355&rd=1

If I had seen that a month ago, IOC wouldn't have sold me the MM210.

[Paul Seaman]

Cope:
Your better off with the mm210, the set-up your seeing would be very pushed to do what they are selling it as. The thunderbolt is a good box but lets not try to make it into something it wasn't designed to be. Yes it would work but how well is strictly iffy.

my .02,

[Scott V]

Cope:
Your better off with the mm210, the set-up your seeing would be very pushed to do what they are selling it as. The thunderbolt is a good box but lets not try to make it into something it wasn't designed to be. Yes it would work but how well is strictly iffy.

my .02,

I sure he is just playing with you. He has about a 40 year old ac miller stick machine, that is not in it's half life yet!!!!

Here is one more picture of my feeder. I am selling my older Hobart at the welding store for a little more than I bought this one for. It will add up being a push but I will get 3 years of warranty out of the deal. It will also plug right into my new unit.

[Too_Many_Tools]

Too Many Tools,

A used D200DX with all accessories in very good condition has been selling around $2100. You may find one for less, but buyer beware. A S180DX in similar condition will bring around $1100. These prices are not engraved in stone. As dyn88 mentioned a machine is worth what you are willing to pay.

Interesting...

200DX new ($2670) - 200DX used ($2100) = $570 = 21%

180SD new ($1525) - 180SD used ($1100) = $425 = 28%

So it looks like for a current model in very good condition one should expect to pay about 25% less than new price.

Is this pricing similar to what others are seeing?

One of the reasons why I am interested in this subject is that it seems welders tend to hold their value much better when compared to other tools like lathes, mills,, drills, saws, etc.

Is this what you have seen when buying used welders?

TMT

[HAWK]

TMT,

I do see welders holding their value more so than other tools. These pricing examples I posted are from recent equipment sales on the private market and the equipment was in premium shape. In general the newer technology of the Dynasty will command higher dollars than that of the Syncrowave.

[cope]

Cope:
Your better off with the mm210, the set-up your seeing would be very pushed to do what they are selling it as. The thunderbolt is a good box but lets not try to make it into something it wasn't designed to be. Yes it would work but how well is strictly iffy.

my .02,

Scott's right, that's why I added the eye roll emoticon. If and when I get a Tig unit it won't be an add on.

[Too_Many_Tools]

TMT,

I do see welders holding their value more so than other tools. These pricing examples I posted are from recent equipment sales on the private market and the equipment was in premium shape. In general the newer technology of the Dynasty will command higher dollars than that of the Syncrowave.

That is why I am asking the questions. If equipment holds its value to the point that I am seeing, it would seem that it is often more worthwhile to buy new versus used. One's time is worth money and it is not deductible. By the time one considers how much time is spent looking (even causally) for that good used machine for a reasonable price, I suspect a buyer is further ahead to just go buy it new. Not to mention the warranty that a new machine brings to the table which I consider to be very important in respect to inverter units.

I also think you are correct about the newer technology retaining more of its worth versus an older and mature product. That also would seem to be reflected in the numbers that you offered.

Another characteristic I have noted is that welders in general do not seem to turned over much. Once a welder is purchased, it is usually kept by the owner. Unless more power or a different process is needed to force a new purchase , it does not seem that a different welder will be gotten. From what I am seeing, there does not seem to be much of an used supply of welders to choose from. I can count on both hands the newspaper ads for welders I have seen over the last five years while at the same time there have been countless ads for other metal working machines.

Is that the observation of others on this board?

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

it would depend greatly upon the condition and age of the used welder. A used macine still under waranty and in good condition is worth 5% less than the lowest price available to somebody looking for that very machine. if you just want to get rid of same machine it would be worth whatever the best offer you recieve in the time frame you need it say 10-20% less. A beat up machine not still under warantee is probably top dollar at 5-15% again to the same guy looking to purchase that very machine at that very time and has the money not "will get the money after I sell my 89 5.0 mustang for 3000 in parts"(sorry that day will never come and he will never own a 200dx, maybe the 180sd if he has a desperate friend with insurance money that just smashed his 89 5.0 mustang)
All in all you can see a used machine sometimes sell on ebay for more than it is new. Some people get caught up in the moment and make poor decisions. If you are looking to buy a machine than that machine is worth the amount you are willing to pay.
If you are selling a used machine(let me know HEHE) Your best bet is to keep your eyes open and sell it on ebay but set a resonable reserve.
although if miller comes out with a new machine to replace the dynasty 200dx than the value of said machine will drop, probably, drastically shortly after the introduction of the new model.Ouch it hurts to buy new technology only to be duped a week later by the hot new model.301g-302 perfect example(start watching prices of 301gs on ebay in a month or three)
Sorry if I confused you, I cofused myself towards the end, and I hope that this helps a little.( if not I can talk ij a few more circles for you).

I note that you mention used but like new welders would tend to sell at 95% of their new price while the used just fell off the truck version would sell for 85-95% of new price. Is that what you are seeing in your local market or is that your pricing expectations as buyer/seller?

I agree that especially in an auction setting sometimes buyers forget what the comparable new price of an item is but it is surprising to me that welders retain as much value as they seem to do.

I also think you might be right about how the introduction of new models will affect the used market. I also suspect that it may affect the inverter market more than the older transformer based machines.

For instance, anyone have any information as to what an older low boy 180 would be worth versus the newer 180SD with the digital readouts in the used market? I am trying to compare apples to apples (transformer machines) here even though the warranty/no warranty clouds the issue.

Is there a "Blue Book" for used welders?

How do dealers who sell used machines price their welders?

TMT