Supposedly 2 New Miller Welders?

[Chopper]

Today I heard miller will be introducing two new welders that are supposedly bike builder oriented... I dont about it and am a little skeptical myself. But if any of you know about it please let me know. I also dont know how much more friendly a welder you can come up with either, I mean what would make it different for a bike builder? Here's the thread:

NICK PETERSON: As you are probably aware of, Miller Welding is one of the premier suppliers of quality welding equipment and has recently made their presence known in the custom bike building industry. Nick, who is one of the “big dogs” at Miller Welding, is going to give you a crash course on welding applications for bike building. The company has recently introduced two new welder machines that are extremely “bike builder” friendly and will make just about anyone look like an experienced polished welder. Nick will have a portable facility where you can test your welding skills and get a mountain of information on how to sharpen your welding skills. This segment of the Boot Camp will be one of the more challenging sessions, but it will address your concerns, misconceptions and questions in regards to the art of quality welding practices. A rare opportunity to rub shoulders with this extraordinary welding “heavy-weight”.

So what do you think? Just marketing hype for some class or what?

[HAWK]

chopper,

Miller has just introduced the MM350P, Passport 180 and the DVI 175. Can't imagine what would be next on the horizon so close the these models???

[fun4now]

dvi 175

what is the dvi 175 i didnt see that in my 2004 catalog and didnt hear about it?
as for the perfict bike builder machine i would think the dynasty 200DX and maybe a MM 175/210 would fit that bill quite nicely
the pasport would be ok too but it seems more for on the go like track or service call aplications

[cope]

what is the dvi 175 i didnt see that in my 2004 catalog and didnt hear about it?
as for the perfict bike builder machine i would think the dynasty 200DX and maybe a MM 175/210 would fit that bill quite nicely
the pasport would be ok too but it seems more for on the go like track or service call aplications

There have been several threads about the new Miller. Hawk gave it a field test.

[fun4now]

There have been several threads about the new Miller. Hawk gave it a field test.
ummmm that realy didnt help much
what is it TIG,MIG, or stick

[Tanner]

its a 115v/230v mig welder. Same capabilities (I think) as the mm210, but the added bonus of 115v input.

[fun4now]

thanks tanner

i did a serch and remember it now the ole noodle aint doing the recall like it used to
if you were to pair it up with a dynasty it would make a sweet bike building setup.
i might just lookinto it when i get ready to start my HOG i will already have the dynasty by then i have been holding off on building the hog till i have the dynasty, i was thinking of building with thw dynasty ans using the MM135 to tack up the dvi would give me the option of good strong MIG welds on some parts insted of TIG'ing everything

here is HAWK's post for any that were wondering about the DVI 175

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This machine is still a proto type machine in most areas of the United States. It has seen a limited released in a couple of areas. I have spent countless hours with the proto type version and can honestly say I love the machine. I really crackles on 120 VAC up to about 135 amps. The 240 VAC brings it into the 175 amp top end.

The arc is soft and similar to the MM210. This machine makes clean crisp welds. It pushes .023" and .030" ER70 series wire very well on 120VAC. It will run .035" on 120VAC, there is no real need as the .030" really rocks!

On 240VAC it is killer. It has a great short arc even with .035" wire and lays out a very clean spray arc with .030" wire and a 92%argon / 8%CO2 shielding gas. I have run the DVI a lot with the standard 75% argon / 25 % CO2 gas mix and it is a fantastic short arc unit.

The plug swap out is great. It is quick and easy. That's about all there is to that.

It is designed for those users working with up to 1/4" material. I don't mean welding 1/4" like a MM135 will. I mean rocking with it. I run a lot on 120VAC up to 3/16" material and hit the 220VAC for the 1/4" and spray arc mode.

I have not been able to hurt this machine as hard as I am on equipment. It is a fantastic idea and works well. Sometimes it is great to plug up and weld as oppossed to setting up the ALT or XMT or even the Dynasty stations. There are times when plugging up and migging is what needs to be done. This machine falls somewhere between the MM135/175 and the MM210. I think it is a better machine than the 175 due to the transformer/rectifier bridge that allows for the dual voltage input. It does not have the guts of the 210 and was not designed that way. The 210 offers a higher top end with the dual gas valves and is out of the box ready to add a spoolgun. I see a possible option of adding a spoolgun, but would look toward the 210 if that is in your plans.

I have to say since this machine has been in my test shop the ALT and other MIG units have become jealous as their MIG usage has been quite limited. I like this machine "o so much" it has become my right hand for numerous projects.

If this piece of equipment is getting bad reviews it is for one of 2 reasons:

The operator has not spent any time learning the machine
or
The operator doe not have much experience with MIG machines within this class.

These are bold statements. I feel qualiied to make then as I have spent numerous months and countless pounds of wire/ CFH of shielding gas in various mixes welding with this unit. Anybody that say different just does not know what they are talking about. Strong words. Strong machine.

If you are searching for a dual voltage MIG capable of good solid hot 1/4" welds in the short arc mode ; a good clean spray arc with appropriate shielding gas ; easy to use ; and shop portable, then this is your machine.



I WILL HAVE ONE IN MY SHOP!
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Good Luck

HAWK


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#11 08-13-2004, 04:33 PM

[Brian C]

When I was in my dealers (dealing for a new Lincoln PT185) they said they heard rumors of a machine to do battle with the PT185. They had no idea of when it would be out, but that Miller usually always had a machine that would go head to head with the Lincoln stuff. They may have been trying to get me to hold off on my purchase...who knows. Wish thay had one...the red just doesn't go well with all my blue.

[fun4now]

RED
i would hold out for the blue
if you have the time and can wait

[pejenkins]

Any word as to when the NIV 175 will be available ? Are the specs available on the Miller website ?

PJ

[HAWK]

pejenkins,

The DVI 175 should be available nationwide around mid November of this year.

[cope]

Any word as to when the NIV 175 will be available ? Are the specs available on the Miller website ?

PJ

They have been available on Ebay for awhile. Do a search there. I know IOC and at least one othe rdealer has sold trhem. IOC was the lowest in price. Specs are on the lising also.

[fun4now]

NIV175 ? dvi180 ?

are they the same thing or different NIV175/ dvi180

[cope]

are they the same thing or different NIV175/ dvi180

The DVI 175 is a large Mig on the same footpint as the 210/251. The 180 (can't remember complete name) is a suitcase 180 amp mig.

[Teeps]

Well I see an advantage to this, if you keep this unit in a car trailer, and your not sure if you'll be able to hook up to 220 at your garage or 110 at the track. Or if your in a townhouse or apartment, and one day plan to move to a place where you can install your own 220 volt hook up, then this makes sense to have the capability of both, without spending the money for two different machines.

If portability is real important to you though, your going to go with an inverter machine, or alteast something that weighs, ALOT LESS.

Also if this is just for a Garage environment, the miller mm 210 is the same size, but has much better duty cycle, and amperage for that matter. Yet it goes all the way down to 22 guage, read = TINY, very thin stuff. MM210 can also run down to .023 wire. And as another member pointed out to me, lots of nice accessories. Dual tank gas cart from miller, and a nice spoolgun, perfect for soft aluminum wire.

Personally I don't ever see the need of going any thinner than 18 guage, so for an extra couple hundred, the mm210 is a no-brainer for me.

I weld allot less often than most too!!