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  • tackit
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    Man I get serious when I put butane in my little torch, the way it spurts out when it's full causes me to be extremely careful. This idea is so far out I couldn't imagine anyone seriously trying to do it.


    Bon voyage brother, after the explosion I will be looking for you when you fly past the moon.

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  • Bulldog
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    Hi bbrider,
    If you decide not to take all this good advise and go ahead with your experiment.... One thought.... Video tape it!!!
    Bulldog

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  • Andy249
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    Here in Aussie land we do run an Argon/Oxygen/Carbon Dioxide Mix. The Oxygen of course is in a very low quantity so it doesn't oxidise the material as you weld it. As far as I know it would be near impossible to add Acetylene into this mix as Acetylene in the cylinder is actually suspended in Acetone (I think!). The reasons behind this is that Acetylene is incredibly volatile particularly when compressed. This is the reason why Acetylene cylinders should never be transported / stored in any other position other than upright.

    I don't think it would really be possible to add Acetylene for this mix, and for my way of thinking it would be bad idea! Gas companies are constantly researching to provide their customers with better gases to weld with, to be honest I would rather stick with the status quo. If you are having problems getting your material up to temperature, what about preheating? Sure it takes longer, but it would save you having to buy a bigger welder right now?

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  • fun4now
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    oxygen bad

    first off to put it simpelest the shielding gass is to keep oxygen out.
    as for acetylen have you ever sparked off your O/A torch with the acet. too high not good and to try to mix the two gasses to creat a good flaime comming out of a mig ?????
    i think klsm54 hit it on the head as for safty. i would not like to be youre neibor when you try this.call the fire department first.better yet try a different ideal and keep the place safe.
    think safty first!!!!!

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  • JOHN1
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    Is this a joke??

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  • GTA/SPEC
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    Flammible gas is mixed into inerts for TIG welding only. And then its only Hydrogen, and in small percentages. Like 2% or 5%. It isnt consumed in the tig process like Oxy/Fuel is consumed in a flame. The Hydrogen is there to raise the ionizing voltage of the inert gas, forcing the TIG welder to produce more voltage to overcome the higher ionizing potential of the mix. The higher arc voltage is what increases the heat input, not the fact that its flammible. The use of argon-hydogen blends should only be used in a well ventalated area, and only used by professionals. The hydrogen will seperate from the argon after it is expelled from the torch and collect in the ceiling, creating a dangerous situation.

    Higher concentrations of hydrogen in argon are used for heavy plasma cutting, 200 amps + . Usually a 65% argon 35% hydrogen in conjunction with a nitrogen backing gas. Same theory, the hydrogen is used to "up" the ionizing potential for a more potent and stable arc. Keep in mind 200 amps of plasma with a 200v arc is 4" long.

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  • cope
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    Re: replacing the normal inert shielding gas with a flammable gas to increase heat output

    Originally posted by BB Rider
    In thinking about the contents of several recent threads, I came up with an idea to boost the temperature output of my MIG and TIG welders, which I am finding out don't have enough thermal output for what I am welding. Larger welders are financially out of the question for now. I want to try to replace the normal inert shielding gas with a flammable gas such as Acetylene, Hydrogen, Oxygen, or a blend of these. The flammable gas in conjunction with the welding arc should increase the heat output of my gun to where I need it to be in order to weld thicker materials. This simple idea combines the attributes of MIG/TIG with Oxygen/Acetylene/Hydrogen. Don't know why I hadn't heard of it before. Since the welding gun is actually a torch, it should be able to take the heat from doing this.
    Have any of you tried this method? How did it work out?
    Check the Darwin Awards site; if anyone has attempted this he is probably recognized there. Glad you asked before attepting this.

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  • Kevin
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    I will put this as simply as I can, DO NOT USE ANY FLAMABLE GAS AS A SHEILDING GAS! This would be extremely dangerous.

    I recommend that you discuss your issues with your local distributor and see if they have any sheilding gas options that could help you.

    Kevin

    [email protected]

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  • klsm54
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    I am not sure how to respond to this... .....It is definitely NOT a good idea. Safety wise, it is certain to inflict harm to the operator, and possibly the responding emergency personnel. Metalurgicaly, it is not feasable. The heat of an electric arc is many times hotter than any flammable gas flame, so there would be absolutely no advantage, if it could be done. My advice is to forget this notion, write it of as a bad idea and save yourself from serious injury. Also, if you cannot afford a larger welder, you certainly don't want to destroy the one you own now. Sorry to be so blunt, but if you are serious about this, I don't want to see you bring harm to yourself or others...

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  • Steved
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    I am not 100% sure if this can be done but thinking about it scares the crap out of me.

    There are so many unknowns the first being that although the torch can probably take the heat it has not been designed as a combustion chamber capable of taking the pressures nor has it been designed to prevent flashbacks.

    Additionally any combustion through gases would introduce carbon, hydrogen, water vapor and perhaps oxygen into the weld puddle resulting in a very poor weld.

    I think that if anyone could answer this question it would be HAWK.

    It sounds interesting I would like to find out the outcome of this thread.

    My bet is that it cannot be done.

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  • replacing the normal inert shielding gas with a flammable gas to increase heat output

    In thinking about the contents of several recent threads, I came up with an idea to boost the temperature output of my MIG and TIG welders, which I am finding out don't have enough thermal output for what I am welding. Larger welders are financially out of the question for now. I want to try to replace the normal inert shielding gas with a flammable gas such as Acetylene, Hydrogen, Oxygen, or a blend of these. The flammable gas in conjunction with the welding arc should increase the heat output of my gun to where I need it to be in order to weld thicker materials. This simple idea combines the attributes of MIG/TIG with Oxygen/Acetylene/Hydrogen. Don't know why I hadn't heard of it before. Since the welding gun is actually a torch, it should be able to take the heat from doing this.
    Have any of you tried this method? How did it work out?
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