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  • Glenn B
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    Normally here I Cali. We sell outright from 125 ft & smaller. From 150 & up you can rent, Lease, or buy outright. Leases are cheaper than month to month rent. Its prepaid for a year at a time Less billing & paperwork.But if you only need for a month or two for a big project it may be more economical to rent & get it back in. Normally as long as the cyls are in decent shape and in hydro we just swap for another. We take care of valves as long as you didn't damage them.

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  • Steved
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    I have posted this information on another post but it seems relevant here.

    The following prices are in Candadian funds and the location is Calgary AB.

    Liquid Air - $80 for 100% Argon, 80 cu feet, my tank.

    Very expensive so I inquired about purchasing a larger tank, 330cu feet, they will not do that and will only lease at $75/year and a refill is $225. At this point I thought that I would have to quit tig welding because of the cost. I shopped around and ended up going to AirGas.

    AirGas will not fill a 80 cu foot tank but will lease a 330 cu foot tank for $50/year and will fill that tank for $80!! (Compare that the Liquid Air 4 times savings..)

    I approached Liquid Air and mentioned the price difference they really did not care and would not budge on the price. In fact all of their products were really inflated for off the street customers.

    Tungsten electrodes, average of 2.1 times the cost of AirGas.
    Gas nozzel - 3 times the cost.
    Filler rod - UP TO 6 TIMES THE COST
    Dynasty 200DX $800 more at Liquid Air, Elite Helmet, $75 more..I could go on.

    AirGas was and is very friendly, Liquid Air really does not care and just wants my money. Shop around it pays off. If you are in Calgary talk with Bernie at AirGas. Very nice guy who gives a good price, tell then that you heard about this from Steve on this forum. Phone number 272-6605.

    In the end I hope that this takes customers away from Liquid Air, with the prices that they charge they deserve the loss of customers. I really hate it when people steal my money.

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  • klsm54
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    Good advice BC... ..At the distributor I work for, setting up an account is the ONLY way to assure that you will get the best, and same, price every time you come in. Once you have an account set up in our system, we put your pricing, gas and hardgoods, in the account, and you are assured that priceeach time you come in, even if you visit one of our other branches. It also makes it easy for our salesmen to put that price into the system after you negotiate a better price on any one item, be it gas or hardgoods.

    A little advice, no matter where you purchase your tanks, the cylinders themselves, not contents, make sure you keep that paperwork showing that you OWN cyliders of that size. Keep that receipt with your important papers, and never give the original to anybody. That PROOF of ownership may save you a lot of hassles somewhere down the road.

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  • BCarlucci
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    For 80 cuft tanks of Ar/co2 75/25 is lists out for $30 a refill and you own your tank after purchasing it outright, typically depending on the customer is how my counter guys charge, if the customer comes in and uses us only for his supplies then of course he gets a better price, and if the customer doesn't then normally it's the list price. I'm not sure about other places, but you might want to ask them to set up an account for you, even if it's C.O.D. that way they can track pricing of the items you buy, and you might get a better price on things. This is only a suggestion as i don't know how other distributors work it. Good luck

    BC

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  • Blown S-10
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    i just, about 2 months ago, bought 2 80cf tanks from IOC. i got them swap filled for about $32 each, argon & C25. i didn't shop around. has in a hurry to get things running, & the place is 2 blocks from my house. i'm going to shop around for the next refill, and am also going to ask about tank ownership. i KNOW i own them, but the next place may have their own ideas, GOTTA be cautius these days.

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  • hankj
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    Bob,

    Don't know where in the country you are, but around here, the price you pay to own the cylinder includes the right to exchange it for a full one (with current hydro, etc.) for the price of the gas only. You pay up front for the lifetime maintenance of the cylinder.

    Be well.

    hank

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  • bobthewelder
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    I have two distributors in my area. One of them will only sell you the rights to the tanks, and you have to pay for testing and re-valving when and if it comes up. The other distributor will rent month to month, lease year to year(this is what I do), or sell you the rights. I lease and they take care of all tank maint. If you buy from them, you have to pay for the hydro and valving as needed as well. Shop around, I find that leasing a bottle at $55.00 a year is the best option for me at this time. Some places will sell you the tank and take care of the maint. as well, this would be great if you find one that works this way.

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    I paid 35.00 for a one year lease for a 80cf tank, and it cost 29.95 to refill.

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  • BCarlucci
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    Hawk,

    All i have to say is that your getting some really good pricing there, the prices i gave are for small to medium size customers, larger customers get a little bit better but not by much. It all depends on the competition, we have some suppliers, i will not name names, that like to low ball the **** out of prices just to gain business, then in 4-6 months raise the pricing to over what i was orginally charging them. So it all depends, as a distributor i suggest to my customers that every 2 years or so to call up other distributors and get quotes on their gas, that not only keeps my company honest, but it most cases shows my customers how much i'm saving them. But on the same token it all depends on the distributor your dealing with. Sometimes those large suppliers don't treat you right where us smaller ones do. So i say look around and see who's out there. Best of luck finding some good pricing guys and remember, we're used to getting beat up on prices, so don't worry if you tell you distributor you want a better price.

    BC

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  • BCarlucci
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    Well, coming from a distributor of gas and welding supplies, for a mixture of he 75% and ar 25% is around 45-50 a refill and leases per year are around $35 to $45. Also straight Ar 100% is 35.00-40.00. As for those other prices for around 200.00 dollars i'm not sure if your talking about buying a large tank outright? I know here in CT we only sell small tanks from 20 cuft to 80 cuft, anything large you have to rent or lease, rents are tough do to the fact that your paying ea. month, some of you guys might want to ask about leaseing the cylinders, it'll save you an extra 2 months of rent and it's once a year bill. Also for the smaller customers we don't over price you guys do to the fact that you guys are our main customer base, yes it's nice to have those large accounts, but you small guys are easier to deal with, it's more personal and i like dealing with you guys better because i'm dealing with welders, not some purchasing agent who has no idea what they're talking about. Well at any rate, i think the prices i gave will vary depending on who your supplier is and where your located. I do know that for the price of argon and helium has gone up, i just got hit with an increase from my supplier, but it wasn't as bad as i thought, prices should still be pretty good.

    BC

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  • hankj
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    Actually, the supplier I use has a strange relationship with HIS supplier! He resells AIRGAS product, but chaeaper than I can buy the same product at AIRGAS.

    I've dealt with him for everything (except the MM135 - he sells "red" ones) since I started last year, and he has done me a lot of favors as far as advice and product reccommendations. Like Hawk says, that may be why I pay less at his store. The only other games in town are higher still, so I guess I'm not hurtin' all that bad.

    In any case, all the Gadget Garage projects are temporarily on hold until either the steel price comes down or somebody wants me to do something that they'll pay for!!

    Be well.

    hank

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  • HAWK
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    Originally posted by hankj
    Hawk,

    You wanna become a sub-distibutor?? I'll buy from ya!! $43.68 + tax today for 80cf of C-25. (The tank was $135 when I bought it last month.)

    Be well.

    hank
    hank,

    I know you are making light of the situation and I can appreciate that. If I could, I would. I will do anything I can do to help anyone on this forum. However, as you, I, and all the enviro guys know I can't help with this one.

    I have never conducted any welding business near your area or would be glad to make some calls. If you are ever in TN, look me up. Enjoy the California sun!

    My biggest ace with this dealer is a faithful relationship spanning a decade and then some. Not only do I do my business there, but I recommend them to many clients. Am I there biggest customer? Not by a long shot. However, they treat as though I am and that makes the difference-not only on price, but service!!!

    I used to deal with some other guys in town, but they saw I was buying regular and started jacking the prices a bit a time hoping my watchful eyes were closed. It back fired.

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  • fun4now
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    Not an 80-85% discount from an over inflated list price....

    just need to lose the inflated list price and we will all weld happy-er?i pay a flat rate of $50.00 a year to rent a 155 tank but fill it for mig . not shoure if its the same tanks. you tiger's could tell as im geting tig next month (crossed finger's)i hope i hope!!oh back to the point i have 2 distributors within 1/4 mile of each other i think they keep each other in line on pricing as they bolth compeet for the same limited market.

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  • klsm54
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    Maybe I should have clarified. The prices I am talking about are walk in, "off the street" prices. In the welding industry, just as many other industries, prices are very negotiable after one establishes himself as a viable, and repeat customer. Is it right that one guy pays $20.00 for the same refill that the next guy pays $45.00 or $50.00 for? Personally, I don't think so. I think the disparity is too great, and in this industry it seems to get bigger.

    Distributors, due to increased competition, along with disappearing customers, are so afraid to lose a larger customer that they cater to them with increasingly lower prices. In order to make up for these disappearing profit margins, the over the counter prices get raised, sometimes to ridiculous levels. I am part of this system, not by choice, and I despise it greatly. But, sadly, it seems to continue with no end in sight.

    I feel that the large customer should be rewarded with good pricing, but it should be a fair discount from a FAIR list price. Not an 80-85% discount from an over inflated list price....

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  • hankj
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    Hawk,

    You wanna become a sub-distibutor?? I'll buy from ya!! $43.68 + tax today for 80cf of C-25. (The tank was $135 when I bought it last month.)

    Be well.

    hank

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