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  • Brandon MILLER
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    wired up my new power cord last night, took a little while but I'm happy with it. 40' of 10/3 to replace the short stock 12/3 cord..

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  • dcsound
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    Originally posted by Brandon MILLER
    well this is all to complicated
    I figured it was safer to have it hard wired than an extension cord and for the most part I will always need the length - or atleast more than what comes with it. I'll still need to get a breaker and outlet for the wall, I actaully got 2' of 10/3 romex for that but I haven't decided what I want to do there. My fear is running the 10/3 wire on the welder behind a 6/3 or 8/3 with a 50 amp breaker makes the wire on my welder the weak link. That's not a good idea but then maybe the welder has it's own built in protection that is the weak link?
    A well constructed extension cord of heavy duty components should not be a problem or safety hazard. I can tell you from firsthand experience that even a continuous 50A load will not melt 10/3 SO cord. Make it a little warm, yes, melt it or catch it on fire, no. 10/3 romex is not as thermally tolerant. Better to use at least 8/3 to wire the wall plug.

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  • Sberry
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    For welding machines 8 or 6 is ok on a 50, I actually like 8 as I think most people do a better job of wiring up the recept because the wire isnt so stiff. Like Bob said, the limiting factor is going to be the applied load, the welder cant draw enough for long enough to overheat the number 10, you wont fry the wire, the breaker will trip in the event of a short which would be hundreds of amps.
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  • Brandon MILLER
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    in that case I'll go ahead and stick the 50 amp breaker in the wall (8/3 wire or 6/3?)- just for future upgradability or whatever. I've only got a 60 amp breaker going to the box itself from my main box.

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  • Bob Sigmon
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    Brandon,

    You have to figure in the duty cycle of the welder. 50amp breaker provides short circuit protection and 10/3 cord is enough to handle the duty cycle of the welder without burning up the cord!

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  • Brandon MILLER
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    Originally posted by Sberry
    Run an 8 wire, put a 50A breaker on it and its good to go for all of the 50A machines, thunderbolt too. The Tbolt and the 210 use the same plug. You can use a 10/3 for extension cord without problem on this circuit for welding machines. Welding machine requirements are different than "general use circuit" requirements or continious use circuits.
    Sounds like a plan, but once again something tells me a 50 amp breaker and a 10 gauge lead from the welder is a bad idea - gonna fry the wire before the breaker flips?

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  • Brandon MILLER
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    well this is all to complicated

    I just bought 40' of stranded wire 10/3 for re-wiring my welder, and a plug. Is there a problem rewiring my welder warranty wise? I haven't even turned it on

    I figured it was safer to have it hard wired than an extension cord and for the most part I will always need the length - or atleast more than what comes with it.

    I'll still need to get a breaker and outlet for the wall, I actaully got 2' of 10/3 romex for that but I haven't decided what I want to do there. My fear is running the 10/3 wire on the welder behind a 6/3 or 8/3 with a 50 amp breaker makes the wire on my welder the weak link. That's not a good idea but then maybe the welder has it's own built in protection that is the weak link?

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  • OldNavy
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    You can put a receptical that is rated lower than the breaker and wiring on a circuit. The recept has a current rating and thus a blade size and pattern that is standardized for the current rating of the recept. There are even different recpticals 50A ciruits depending upon usage. You will notice that you will find a differen plug pattern for dryers than for welder recepticals. You can install the 6-50P welder receptical and then build a 50A to 30A pigtail to adapt the welder. I did that for my plasma cutter although for a different reason in that case it was a 230V 20A lock plug to a 120/230V blade receptical so that I did not have to change the plasma cutter's cord and still keep its 120V/230V capability. Photos show the 50A receptical on its #6 hardwired extension cord as well as the 20A locking recept. Behind the plasma cutter is the 10 foot #6 extension cord to adapt it to the 230V recept.
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  • Sberry
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    Run an 8 wire, put a 50A breaker on it and its good to go for all of the 50A machines, thunderbolt too. The Tbolt and the 210 use the same plug. You can use a 10/3 for extension cord without problem on this circuit for welding machines. Welding machine requirements are different than "general use circuit" requirements or continious use circuits.

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  • Brandon MILLER
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    Originally posted by OldNavy
    The welder manual lists the minimum spec for receptical and wiring for your welder. So as long as your welder does not draw more than a circuit can provide then you are OK. Electrically, no load (welder) will draw more current than it is rated for. Circuit breakers should be sized for the wire gage and run lenth of the circuit it feeds to protect against a overload on the wire (overheating followed by fire) and receptical. A 60 amp breaker with #6 wire just means that the branch circuit has more capacity to carry current than does one with #10 wire and a 30A breaker. The total capacity of a circuit is its power in watts which is equal to the product of current (amps) and voltage (P = E x I).

    according to the spec sheet in front of me, at 230V input the amp input is 27, which is less than 30 so I should realistically be ok with 10/3 for THIS welder. (Actually I coulda swore I saw a spec that said 34 or something which could call for a 40 amp).

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  • Brandon MILLER
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    I ran my Miller thunderbolt off that 30 amp with no probs but I did sell that and I do want to get another one someday for sure.

    So.. 50 amp?

    If I run a 50 amp breaker and the 6 ga wire to go with it to a plug - can I plug a 30 amp plug into it. Meaning are they different plugs? With it only going a foot it's reall no big deal to put a bigger breaker in anticipation of something that maybe draws more someday, but I dunno about running a 30 6 ga lead to my 210. That might be a bit bulky..

    Guess I could always just rewire when the time comes and keep things simple for now with the 30amp breaker and 10/3 romex in the wall with a 30' stranded new plug for my 210.

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  • OldNavy
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    The manual is the minimum requirement spec.

    The welder manual lists the minimum spec for receptical and wiring for your welder. So as long as your welder does not draw more than a circuit can provide then you are OK. Electrically, no load (welder) will draw more current than it is rated for. Circuit breakers should be sized for the wire gage and run lenth of the circuit it feeds to protect against a overload on the wire (overheating followed by fire) and receptical. A 60 amp breaker with #6 wire just means that the branch circuit has more capacity to carry current than does one with #10 wire and a 30A breaker. The total capacity of a circuit is its power in watts which is equal to the product of current (amps) and voltage (P = E x I).

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  • hankj
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    Brandon,

    30A is plenty! No need to go to 40 amps. 40 is a wierd size, anyway. It will be too light for your eventual stick macine. If I were going to bump it up, I'd go to 50A right off the bat.

    If I remeber right, you're in Sacramento? If you want to play with a 3035, take aride up here some day.

    Hank

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  • cope
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    Originally posted by Brandon MILLER
    ok, still haven't bought my stuff but should I just buy this

    https://secure.ramweldingsupply.com/...iew.mcic?s=233

    or rewire my welder?

    I dunno, I'm only going a foot from my service - no big deal to put the 8/3 and 40 amp instead of 10/3 and 30 amp. I'm probably going to go pick up the wiring goods today..
    I rewired my 210 and used qa 25' cord which had been my extension cord. I needed it 99% of the time anyway and got tired of connecting and disconnecting each use. Wish you were in Houston; I could give you a couple of feet of Romex.

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  • Sberry
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    Seeing as how its a foot away it wont matter which you use, number 10 or 8, performance wont be affected. I would rather use the 8 if you are using cable as the wire is stranded ad I would rather have that heavier wire making the connections. It fits the recepts better.

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