Dynasty 200 - DX or SD?

[swyzr191]

I'm ready to pull the trigger on a Dynasty.
Currently I have a XMT304 CC/CV, XMT300 CC/CV, Optima Pulser, PC-300 Pulser, 15A spoolgun, 714D wire feeder w/ M-25 gun, WC-24 controller, POS TIG torch and bottles n' junk.

My question is this:
The Dynasty SD is cheaper. It appears I can use my PC-300 to give it pulsing. I will not get the sequencing or spot welding that comes with the DX. My 714D takes care of spot welding. I'm just making sure I'm not missing something that the DX has over the SD.
Any comments?

Also where was the best prices you guys have seen on Dynasty's?

Tanks berry much,

Doug

[Wheat]

You should get an earful from the Dynasty DX owners out there. Quite honestly I've changed my mind to purchase the 200DX over the T/A 185. The final variable was the multiple power sources. Anybody know a better price of around $2700.00 contractor equipped????

[HAWK]

swyzr191,

DX is the only way to go! The DX pulse is variable from 0-500PPS! Many times I use the 300-500 PPS range for anodized and nasty cast aluminum The PC300 won't do it. The sequence is a must for repeatability on critical welds. I would not skimp on such valuable options for $200.00. A big plus is fewer cables and one less pendant (PC300) hanging on the machine.

Here is the Miller spec on the PC300:

PC-300 Pulsed TIG (DC GTAW) Control
Can be used with AC or DC welding power sources with, or without, built-in HF or with external HF units (HF-251D-1 or Snap Start II). Non-inverter power source uses 0.5-20 pulses-per-second. Inverter power sources uses 0.5-20 or 10-300 pulses-per-second

Your money and decison.

[swyzr191]

Thanks Hawk

Your reply was informative.
I didn't even consider the PPS. You also gave me an idea.
I will get the DX and sell my PC-300. I won't need the PC-300 anymore and the money I get from selling the PC-300 should off-set the extra cost of going with the DX over SD. You're right about the cables. I ended up taking a white paint marker and labeling all the connectors and leads. It just takes one brain~fade to plug something in wrong. At best you melt your tungsten, at worst you're ordering a new board. Especially when some equipment needs the WC-24 adapter.

One other question -
My buddy wants to buy my XMT300 cc/cv. Have you ever hooked a power source such as a XMT to a small 175 *red wire feeder?
Disconnecting the *red welding power and just using it as a "suit-case" feeder? I realize there would be no v/a feedback to the XMT.
Maybe there is some lurkers who have tried this breach of manufacturer guidelines.

[klsm54]

I would vote for DX all the way. HAWK pretty much named the reasons. Even without the better pulses and seqencing, having everthing in one package would be worth the small amount of $$$ we are talking. Go for the DX and never look back.

[swyzr191]

OK
The cheapest Dynasty 200DX I found is $2211.00
Includes shipping.

http://store.cyberweld.com/mildyn200dxa.html

Anyone know of any better deals?

[HAWK]

swyzr191,

That's a great deal. You might see if your local dealer, if you have a good one, will match that. Some will and some won't try. I paid about $75.00 more than the internet price, but when I needed a loaner machine and a few sample bottles of gas there was no problem or charge from my local dealer! That's worth the &75!!! I've run a lot of feeders from an XMT series, but have not tried the using the 175 as a feeder only.

[klsm54]

swyzr191 , Being a Miller dealer, I can tell you that $2211.00 is a great price, one that a distributor who pays for a storefront, counter people, salesmen and delivery trucks, more than likely won't match. But, as HAWK said, a dealer might come withing 75 to 100 dollars of that price, I would, if you show him what you are going to pay on-line. Especially if you lease a tank and buy some goodies with it.

It will pay you to buy locally, especially on a more technically oriented piece of equipment like a Dynasty. You may have some questions down the road that they will be able to help you with. Most distributors have somebody outside that will even come to your shop for a training session on your new machine.

Yes, we need a liitle more than the warehouse with a phone answerer and shipping clerk, but if you find a good distributor, it will be worth the extra money, many times over.

[swyzr191]

klsm54



Your comment -
>>the warehouse with a phone answerer and shipping clerk<<

That is a good description of one of my local Miller dealers.

[klsm54]

.... ...sadly swyzr191 , there are too many distributors like that. Notice I said "GOOD" distributor, in my previous post. Do a search on the Miller website for dealers in your area. You may have to drive 20 minutes or half an hour, but more likely than not, there is a decent one around, especially if you have any industries around. Somebody has to take care of them. If you know anybody that welds for a living, ask where they get their supplies. If not, look up some smaller independant fab shops in your area. Most would be more than happy to give you some advice on where to get your supplies.

I only say this because I feel there IS value in setting up a relationship with a GOOD dealer. Welding is, and always will be, a rather technical field. Good people that you can rely on to help you out can really be a plus. This board is great for solving a whole lot of troubles, but sometimes it just takes a "hands on" aproach to solve some problems. I fear that if we all buy everything on line, even the good dealers will start to disappear, and that will not be good for this industry.

Now as for the poor dealers, like you have found.....well, that is for another post...

[Paul Seaman]

swyzr191:
My wife did the negotiating on my mm210, she took the price quote from brwelder and cyberweld and a couple of the others, and asked how do you compare. My preferance was to buy locally for service and supply along with the personal service. We compared for monthes and I was hesitant but she decided and ordered it and wrote the check, isn't she great. Be honest with the dealer and they will treat you well.

Peace,

[Wheat]

pjseaman,
You've got some Lady there!!! I had to negotiate with mine to GET the 210. Now can you imagine the uphill battle I'm facing for the 200DX?? Keep having fun.

[Paul Seaman]

Wheat:
I still take classes and in the fall, I'm taking TIG. I told Judie that would make me want another machine and her response was get the training first and we'll talk. Atleast I know there is room to talk, I hope for a christmas suprise, Dynasty 200dx!!!

If you need a voice of reason, my wifes reasoning was atleast I'm not out drinking all night or chasing another women. It keeps me off the streets and its a stress reliever for me, WIN-WIN situation for only a couple thousand dollars, what a deal.

Peace,