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  • fun4now
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    sweeping it

    hawk
    here i thought the only draw back would be sweeping up all that 10,000 ft at end of day. im shoure if i ever walked in to play you are right i would be like a kid in a candy store wandering around drooling all over the place.(MORE TO CLEAN UP!!! LOL)
    thanks for the offer although i have no present plans for travel,but if i do ill put you on the list if at all possible


    klms
    it seams we have lost our values and work ethics in too many places it is a shame
    all we can do is expect the best of people ,give our best to people and hope it works out more than we get burned you have to think positive .
    SSL
    be happy and well
    james

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  • klsm54
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    That is a great deal you have HAWK. Thanks for the pictures. It is great to see business owners co-operating on a day to day basis like that. In today's cut throat business world, it is a refreshing look into the way most businesses "Used" to operate. It is amazing, in the last 20 years in this business, how many of those type of relationships I have seen crumble. Sadly, doing business on a handshake and never stabbing your fellow businessman in the back, is becoming more and more of a thing of the past.

    There is a lesson to be learned here for all you younger guys just getting started. Try to work "with" your competitors. There is nothing to be gained from cutting each others prices and duplicating each others services. There is plenty of work out there, no need to have it all. In the long run, you will be more profitable, and you will sleep better at night.

    HAWK, my company, at least my original company, was very big into mechanized cutting and welding sales. We have been a Koike Aronson dealer forever, and I can remember when we sold Airco, 6060, electric eye cutting machines. Still have a few still out there and running. While I can see that your friends machine in the picture is a little dated, with a little preventative maintenence, and the occaisional upgrade, these things give a real long service life. It is amazing how a CNC table, at least in my area, has gone from being something that only the biggest shops had, to something we sell regularly now to small fabricating shops. The payback for most has been fantastic.

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  • HAWK
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    Re: 10,000 sq ft

    Originally posted by fun4now
    you gota want to play in a shop like that
    looks like great fun. but im happy with my lil shop although it seems to keep growing as i add more blue toy's (ORDERD MY PLASMA CUTTER YESTERDAY OOOOOOOH YEAAAAAA )
    still wouldnt hate spending a day playin in a frends shop like that.
    fun4now,

    Let me just say that it too gets old. There is so much room and equipment it it hard to decide what to use when. Don't get me wrong. It is a great work shop at the very least. The high ceilings are priceless and all the blue machines are great. Some of those old Millers are long discontinued: variable slope GMAW's and high amperage pulsers. Most everything is 3 phase power. If you are ever in the knoxville,TN area, let me know and I'll be glad to give you a tour. My buddy would be glad to have you come weld for a day!

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  • Tanner
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    I'm not going to bring my religious views into this post, for, I'm afraid, as an open-minded, tolerant atheist, I have none.

    Anyways, onto the real point of this post. I, like Canuck feel the pain of working in a small shop. I'm mostly stuck in the back part of a small metal working shop, and the welding area is about 8' wide, and 20' long. Very cramped to get in 5 MILLER stick welders, one Oxy/Fuel torch, one MILLERmatic 200, and two gas welders. The size of most Miller products has been great to us. The ease of use, and maintenence of the welders themselves has been wonderful. I'm also in charge of teaching most students how to weld, and if a machine fails on me, or one of my students, I'm the one who has to fix it. With our 6 miller welders, we've only had one problem of bird nesting in the 200, but was quickly solved with a new gun liner. In short, the size and dependability of Miller products makes life a lot easier for those of us who are very limited in shop space. You can bet my home shop will be wall to wall with BLUE.

    As for the original topic of the best cutter, go plasma. Expensive in the short run, well worth it in the long run.

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  • fun4now
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    10,000 sq ft

    you gota want to play in a shop like that
    looks like great fun. but im happy with my lil shop although it seems to keep growing as i add more blue toy's (ORDERD MY PLASMA CUTTER YESTERDAY OOOOOOOH YEAAAAAA )
    still wouldnt hate spending a day playin in a frends shop like that.

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  • HAWK
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    Canuck,

    Stick with it. Do what you enjoy. That is the fun in life!

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  • Canuck
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    Hawk sometimes less is more. Having only 150 square feet at my disposal has made me learn to save space when I can and mkae the most out of what I have to work with( also to put wheels on many things).
    The lord has beem very very good to me as well. There is not a day that gose by when I stop and realize how lucky I really am and at the opportunity I have to get my training when I have. It is people like you and many many others on this board and several others that make me realize that I really want to become a professinal welder.
    Thank you Hawk and thanks to everyone else that has helped me.

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  • Paul Seaman
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    Zach:
    I almost forgot my 2 favorite tools my 7 1/4" circular saw with a metal blade and my newly acquired [ borrow to own,] nibbler from Milwaukee tool it will do up to 16ga sheetmetal [ my father-in-laws, borrow to own store, he buys it so I can borrow to own, kinda wierd huh!!!]
    Peace,

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  • HAWK
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    Canuck,

    I guess if I did not have such a good deal I would have invested in a large shop and done things differently. As the good Lord has worked it out I have what I need when I need it. I am very thankful for family, friends, talent, equipment, health, and the peace of mind. I am a christian and thank the Lord daily for all that he has given me. I wish you the very best in your welding and other endeavours. If I can help you out, let me know.

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  • HAWK
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    Canuck,

    Those pictures are not my shop. It belongs to my buddy. It is around 6000 square feet with 40' ceilings in this building which is cutting and welding. The machine shop is another 2000 square feet with an additional 2000 square feet "extra" welding and cutting space.

    We are good friends and business associates. We have passed work around between us for the last 18 years. I am always welcome to his shop rent free as needed. In return I send many large jobs his way. Most of these are jobs requiring 5 or 6 people and literally tons of equipment. He also sends me precision TIG work and methane gas pipe welding that he does not deal in. It is a good deal for both of us.

    My personal shop is very small by comparison. It is 500 square feet of equipment literally stacked side to side and wall to wall with just enough space to work. However, I am happy with it and able to do quality work. Sometimes it is best to work with what we need rather than what we think we need. Keeping up with the Jones, as the old saying goes, can get us into more trouble than it is worth.

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  • Canuck
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    Hawk, those are some fancy pieces of equipment. How big is your shop?
    I would also like to add that a jig saw is great for cutting odd shapes in AL. I have cut 1/4 like paper with a good saw and a good blade.

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  • HAWK
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    klsm54,

    The CNC burn table with O/A torch heads (2) and HT plasma. This table will do 10" thick carbon steel with the large torch. Pretyy killer set up to be so antiquated. This is the old table that is still used, but a new table was recently built with the new HT G3 series 3 phase that will pierce 1.25" SS!
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  • HAWK
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    klsm54,

    I run a spectrum 2050 plasma for hand cutting and a deep throat variable speed Milwaukee porta-band for small stock. I also keep a Bosch 1587 (I think that is the correct model#) for odd shapes on gauge plate up to .190" and have done .250" for samll distances.

    Beyond that the iron worker for shearing and a CNC plasma table for the tricker and more repeatitive work.
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  • Paul Seaman
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    Recently I saw a fixed base band saw at Harbor Freight for about $200 which I thought was a reasonable price.

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  • klsm54
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    What can I add to what HAWK said?..

    As far as what I see being used the most for day to day cutting needs in smaller shops. Chops saws, Plasma, and portable band saws, probably about in that order. Of course, each is better for specific needs.

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