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  • Sync 250 vs. Dynasty

    Hello, long time Miller user, first time poster. We have a MM250 that has served us well here at our shop for the last several
    years, what we need to be able to do now is aluminum radiator, intercooler and intake manifold welding. We will also be doing SS
    exhaust projects, so a Tig is in order. The Sync 250 seemed to be the obvious choice, until a competitor steered us towards a
    machine called an "Invertig". I believe this machine more closely mirrors your Dynasty series, but correct me if that is not right.
    The benefits that are touted with this machine are less power consumption, and the ability to vary frequency and make more precision
    welds with the better control that varying the freq would provide. The smaller size of that machine certainly lends itself to being
    ideal for moving around the shop, but it certainly would clash with the color of our MM250! What are some of the differences between
    doing these projects we need to do with either the Sync or Dynasty series? Everytime I look online, the price of the Sync250 keeps
    creeping up a couple hundred more dollars, so the sooner I know, the better. Material wise, the Sync 180 would be sufficient and
    certainly more affordable, but the extra features the 250 has makes it hard to not want to remortgage to afford it! Any info you can
    provide to steer us in the right direction would be appreciated, and if anyone out there in the Los Angeles area has the newer
    digital 250 for sale, let us know!
    Carl Campbell
    C.I.PERFORMANCE
    www.ciperformance.com

  • #2
    this is a HOT TOPIC on this board your best bet is to do a SEARCH and go from there,

    i run a syncro every week and i have NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS,

    i have also used the red inverter...and im not sold on inverters yet...

    i guess that i am a old school american male, the bigger the better,
    give me a f350 pick up truck a 16oz compared to a 12oz NOT TO BE MIXED THOUGH DRINKING AND DRIVING DONT MIX....

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    • #3
      Carl
      I have the Hobart version of the sync250... and it is an excellent machine for what you propose... BUT... the Dynasty may be even better from what I hear... unfortunately have not had the chance to use one... there have been quite a few Synchrowave 250 vs Dynasty posts on this forum... if you do a search of this forum using those terms... think you will find a goldmine of info and experience that has already been posted...
      hope this helps
      Heiti
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      *******************************************
      The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

      “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

      Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

      My Blue Stuff:
      Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
      Dynasty 200DX
      Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
      Millermatic 200

      TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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      • #4
        p.s.

        i LUV that 57 chev !!!!!!!!

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        • #5
          Sync 250 Vs. Dynasty

          Thank you all for the initial replies, I'll check out the previous posts for more answers. While I'm sure that the Sync 250 is a reliable, rock solid machine, I'm most concerned about doing the best quality of work with the absolutely most ideal machine. The quest continues.....
          Carl Campbell
          C.I.PERFORMANCE
          www.ciperformance.com

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          • #6
            Carl,

            Welcome!
            First, I also have owned both and when the Dynastys came out and I ran them, it was a dead issue. The Sync 250 is a great machine but the Dynasty is Awsome. It's arc cone is more defined and it is actually easier to weld with. The Dynasty 200 and a water cooler might be the set up for you as whith the thicker material might cause the air cooled torch to get hot.
            As far as going red or blue....the blue ones are made in the USA!

            Thanks for the question and like arcdog said, you will find no shortage of posts on this subject.

            Andy

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            • #7
              being a faithfull miller customer, im not trying to step on anybodys toes here but arnt the red machines made in cleveland???????? (i have toured their plant )
              brian

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              • #8
                Only some of their machines!!

                Their inverter Tigs are made over the pond as well as some of the other units.

                Andy

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                • #9
                  miller makes EVERYTHING in house in wisc, wow thats pretty rare now a days, where are the red inverters made?
                  and what other machines are they importing ?

                  thanks again andy,

                  brian

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                  • #10
                    Dynasty 200 Vs. Sync

                    Andy,
                    Thank you for the response, it sounds like the Dynasty 200 (DX?) is the machine to get. It actually looks like it works out cheaper than the Sync 250, as well. Let me reverse engineer my question and post this, what does the Sync 250 do better, and why would someone be better off with that machine over the Dynasty?
                    Carl Campbell
                    C.I.PERFORMANCE
                    www.ciperformance.com

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                    • #11
                      Carl
                      for a performance fab shop... my answer is the sync does nothing that you would miss... stuff like 300amps on the top end (at reduced duty cycle) and the ability to burn stick all day...I worked for Dave Kent at Creative Car Craft in Hawthorne, Ca... about 30 years ago.. and for hotrod and imsa Camel GT race car stuff... the tig machines were hardly ever set above about 120amps and usually about 20 or so for sheet metal and around 90-110 for welding cages and stuff.... again.. I have not used a Dynasty.. but my friends that have them swear by them.. and because of the available arc manipulation are able to make it do heavier material with fewer amps.. with a narrower and prettier bead....
                      have not bought one yet but probably will in time
                      hope this helps
                      Heiti
                      .

                      *******************************************
                      The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                      “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                      Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                      My Blue Stuff:
                      Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                      Dynasty 200DX
                      Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                      Millermatic 200

                      TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                      • #12
                        Sync 250 Vs. Dynasty

                        Hmm......., lighter weight, less expensive, portable. I'll be interested to see what Andys' response will be!!!
                        Carl Campbell
                        C.I.PERFORMANCE
                        www.ciperformance.com

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                        • #13
                          You couldn't get me out of my dynasty

                          It is the best machine going. It cuts thru aluminum like butter. The pulser function will be real helpful with the ss exhaust,radiators and intercoolers. The dynasty doesn't use the power off the wall like the sync's. Both are excellent machines, but the dynasty is a notch above in my book.
                          Mike. R


                          Dynasty 300dx tig runner w/ 3 torch Versa-Tig torch changer {wt-20f, wt-24f, mt-125**
                          MM 251/30a/4015 roughneck
                          Miller portable spot welder
                          Inferno >>> Big Window Elite

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                          • #14
                            Carl
                            as a post script to my previous post... still do a fair amount of that type of race car.. hotrod type fab...

                            (lucky for me that those cars are still being raced as vintage or antique racers..and maintained as they were then.... but in my own mind not much more fun or a kick in the pants than a Porsche 935 when you put your foot in it and climb through the gears... )

                            Back to the subject at hand.. have the Hobart Tigwave 250 which is the same as the Sync 250 in all but paint and labels... and is a wonderful machine... have had it about 12 or so years..and love it... but tend to do repair or restoration work on that type of critter at the customers garage.. so... typically use my little italian dc only 90 amp toaster size tig inverter... if I am going to do ferrous stuff ... or if I need to do AL stuff like cracks in intercoolers etc. will drag along the RED lincoln squarewave tig 175.... these machines cover about 95 percent of that type of work that I do for this class of work away from the shop... if I need more horsepower... will fire up the Trailblazer 301G on the back of my truck and then start to run cables and argon hoses... or make arrangements to do the work back at my shop......and use the SYNC250.... after all of this wordy stuff... I will buy a Dynasty 200 in the not too distant future.. as it will do the the same or better job as the machines that I have been using for this purpose with less weight.. my only caveat is that the Dynasty has a 90 page users manual .. a lot of which appears to be about menus and commands that may take quite a learning curve as opposed to the more conventional sync250 that has switches and pots that are more familiar and easy to most of us....
                            But alas... most of my day to day stuff these days is burning stick from the Trailblazer in some stone quarry... or AL wire from the 30A (from the Trailblazer) repairing beat up aluminum ramps at some trucking terminal...
                            gotta feed the bulldog...
                            hope this was helpful
                            take care
                            Heiti
                            .

                            *******************************************
                            The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                            “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                            Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                            My Blue Stuff:
                            Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                            Dynasty 200DX
                            Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                            Millermatic 200

                            TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                            • #15
                              Carl,

                              I have written a dozen or more posts on the Dynasty 200DX. I would not trade mine for 2 Syncrowave with prepaid power usage. It welds aluminum as easy as steel. It is as user friendly or as technically complicated as you want to make it. It is the cat's meow!

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