new millermatic

[Danny]

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...p?model=M00487

[Broccoli1]

Why?

MM211 dual Voltage covers that market pretty darn good.

[elvis]

I thought maybe duty cycle but nope. Only 40% @ 140 amps.

[FusionKing]

Because its an inverter

[Danny]

Why?

MM211 dual Voltage covers that market pretty darn good.

Ed,

You've posted multiple times that you aren't a fan of the MM 211 arc characteristics, especially compared to your Passport.

I am suspecting the MM190 is going to replace the MM 180. On 1/8" with C-25 the 180 has a real nice crisp arc, its draw back though is that it produces sluggish puddle wet out. Assuming the 190 is going to produce a nice crisp arc, I am hoping the faster response time of the inverter will improve arc quality and puddle wet out.

[Broccoli1]

Ed,

You've posted multiple times that you aren't a fan of the MM 211 arc characteristics, especially compared to your Passport.

I am suspecting the MM190 is going to replace the MM 180. On 1/8" with C-25 the 180 has a real nice crisp arc, its draw back though is that it produces sluggish puddle wet out. Assuming the 190 is going to produce a nice crisp arc, I am hoping the faster response time of the inverter will improve arc quality and puddle wet out.

That is true But why a 180/190 class? Just make the MM211 mo' better

I'd like to run a Fabricator 211i and see how their inverter tech welds.

[Danny]

That is true But why a 180/190 class? Just make the MM211 mo' better

I'd like to run a Fabricator 211i and see how their inverter tech welds.

With the V/A curve showing that the machine is capable of outputting 25V @ 190 amps, I've been wondering why Miller didn't make it at least a 200 amp machine.

24V - 25V @ 200 amps would easily cover most hobbyist's top end needs. The duty cycle would be light. Realistically though how much is the average hobbyist going to need the top end.

Most of my welding, at home, is on 1/8" and 3/16". For the 1/8", I 've always wanted a unit that produces a very consistent, very smooth crisp arc with light spatter and good puddle wet out. I'd like to have the opportunity to run a MM 190 to see if it is capable of producing this results.

[Cgotto6]

I would gladly have purchased this new 190 over my 180 when I was buying. Lighter weight, smaller, and better duty cycle. I suspect this is kicking off a new era of migs. Would not be surprised to see the 140, 211, 212, and 252 all sporting inverters before long, under new names of course.

[Danny]

The 140 is getting a make over. It'll be the 141. It won't be an inverted based unit though. Probably just the 140 guts in the new case.

[Cgotto6]

I'm surprised. An inverter based 140 could be a pretty tiny, portable Sheetmetal machine.

[USMCPOP]

Looking at the parts lists briefly, the main transformer, circuit card and stabilizer for the 141 have different part numbers than the 140.

[Scott V]

With the V/A curve showing that the machine is capable of outputting 25V @ 190 amps, I've been wondering why Miller didn't make it at least a 200 amp machine.

Because you kill off a machine that sells well. 211 would be history..