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  • 12VS Wirefeeder Problem

    Hi-

    I'm having a problem with my 12VS Suitcase feeder. It seems that the wire (.045 flux core) is getting stuck in the head of the bernard dura flux gun when I jog in a new spool of wire. This causes the rollers to chew up the wire. The wire breaks and spools up in the rollers. The contact tip is always removed when I feed new wire in the gun. The wire just isn't making it out of the gun head. This doesn't happen all the time but I'd say it happens 50% of the time.

    Any tips or tricks? Do I need a new gun?

    Thanks.
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  • #2
    In all likelyhood you have a piece of wire jammed in the liner, best to replace it

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    • #3
      Originally posted by cruizer View Post
      In all likelyhood you have a piece of wire jammed in the liner, best to replace it
      Thank you Sir.
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      • #4
        sometimes after doing alot of welding with my thermadyne i have to take the defuser off when feeding new wire through it. the liner will exspand and acually get longer from the heat and will bind up at the end . it happens so often now that i just take the defuser off to feed new wire . if you cut the new liner just a hair to short or too long this will happen.

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        • #5
          I don't know about your flux-core gun, I use Lincolns. The gooseneck has its own liner, oftentimes when feeding new wire thru it hangs up right where the gooseneck starts. Standard procedure is to remove the gooseneck, feed wire until it comes out the gun, then reinstall the gooseneck, while inserting the wire thru it at the same time.
          Obviously, I'm just a hack-artist, you shouldn't be listening to anything I say .....

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          • #6
            With the wire out of the gun and liner, take a air hose and blow backwards from the gun. Might want to put a rag down at the other end to catch the [email protected] that comes out. Flux core is the worst for plugging up a liner.
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            • #7
              It's been a while since I posted this thread. Still having problems. I've used two different guns. The Dura Flux gun and the Bernard Q400 gun. Both giving me the same results. Was running .045 NR211 over the last two days. Tips seem to get hot and bind up causing the drive wheels to cut the wire at the rollers.

              Should I use the drive wheels for hard wire and crank them down?
              Should I be using a bigger contact tip than .045?
              Should I buy an LN25? Since this happens with two different guns I'm lead to believe it's my 12VS.

              I don't think I've EVER been on a jobsite and NOT had a problem with this feeder.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by kvwall View Post

                I don't think I've EVER been on a jobsite and NOT had a problem with this feeder.
                I've never had any luck with any gun other then a tregaskiss guns, I have 4 at home on my personal welders and 12 that the union hall where I teach. Beleve me nothing harder on equipment then someone whos never used one...

                90% of the time problems are from the one holding the gun, or lack or care and maintance........

                Miller, Lincoln the take great pride in building these products, they test the heck out of it........ but in the long run, YOU JUST CAN'T FIX STUPID.

                I'm not calling you stupid, thats just a general comment.

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                • #9
                  Well that stuff needs the cogged drive rollers, whithout them you'll just sit there and slip. Plus use a 052 tip.

                  now when replacing liners, you have to lay the gun straight, pull out and insert the new liner, tighten the little allen head screw in the drive end to the liner, with your finger lighly press the liner into the goose neck then leave about 3/4" of the liner outside of the goose neck.

                  Most cut the liner too short, so you have zero strain relief, and the liner flops around with the wire. If you have a allen head screw in the diffuser, DON'T use it.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks guys. I've ordered some .052 tips. Since I haven't even run 25lbs of wire through the thing yet, I wouldn't think I'd have to replace liners already. Especially since that 25lbs has been split between two guns.

                    I take care of my stuff. I'm the guy buying it so I make sure it's cared for.
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                    • #11
                      I agree with cruizer on the .052 tips and if your using a jump liner in your Bernard gun's swan neck I'd consider losing it and trim a full length according to cruizer's description.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by duaneb55 View Post
                        I agree with cruizer on the .052 tips and if your using a jump liner in your Bernard gun's swan neck I'd consider losing it and trim a full length according to cruizer's description.
                        Thanks Duane.
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                        Miller Dynasty® 350
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                        Millermatic® 252
                        Syncrowave 351
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                        XR-Aluma Pro Gun
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                        Spectrum® 625 X-TREME™

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                        • #13
                          12VS Wirefeeder Problem

                          I often encounter this with my 12vs when doing
                          A ton of dual shield and I do the following , don't set tension of knulled rolls two high , at the first sign of a jam you will pull the trigger again and it with break the wire and cause a train smash , you just want it to slip and spin on wire ....at the second or third jam I remove the gun (tregakiss ) and blow out with air , i do this about 3 or 4 times a day if I'm running a lot of wire through , fluxcore is dusty ....at end of day blow out again for morning....I use the 1.2mm upwards size liner for 1.2mm(.45) wire.......the more room for wire the better.

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                          • #14
                            well.....

                            I run tons of .045 dualshield , i run .045 liners,.045 tips on a roughneck gun, very rarely do i get jams, mostly its my fault for letting the wire stick to the tip, but i run a ln25, either way be sure not to overcrank the tension on the drive wheels, normally thats the issue.
                            Kevin
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                              12VS Wirefeeder Problem

                              There it is.....

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