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  • makowicki
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    I am not the least bit surprised that it is an inverter...

    I do agree with the idea inverters will be replacing transformer machines, power supplies for many applications are becoming inverter. The modern IGBTs are very solid parts that can do some amazing stuff. Where I work we build power supplies for the Navy (who is very careful about changing from what works) is changing some systems over. Some of the supplies we build that are for commercial use push these parts hard and they hold up. One big challenge is preventing Counterfeit parts from coming in the door. Its a big problem for any builders of electronics, you buy your parts from a supplier and they are marked "intel" and they are not.

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  • H80N
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    Originally posted by big mike View Post
    You can disagree or dislike but that is how Miller has always done it in the past.IOC may be able to buy from more than one region from Miller and that would account for their being able to offer it nation wide before some other dealers.
    Been using and buying Miller welders for Many Many years... and their product introductions have always been a lot more orderly and well thought out than this.... with the exception of the mess that surrounded the aborted launch of the Dynasty 280DX....

    that being said ... the Syncrowave 210 looks like a decent enough machine...

    I am not the least bit surprised that it is an inverter... fully expect the phase out of transformer machines to be complete in the next couple of years...(if not sooner) inverters are much more efficient and cost effective... and with the advent of high power semis and function control semis... they can be incredibly versatile...
    Last edited by H80N; 07-25-2013, 05:51 PM. Reason: Spelling..

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  • big mike
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    Originally posted by H80N View Post
    How does that make any sense if retailers like IOC and others are offering it through Ebay and openly on the internet..????...... which is about as universal market as you can find..

    that dog don't hunt....

    No anouncement no literature... very awkward and clumsy... odd to say the least...

    Probably a great little machine but all this mysteriosity sure casts a shadow over it..

    where does it fall in the lineup?? does it compete just below the Dynasty 200DX or is it a minor step up from the Diversion 180??.....

    What distinguishes it as an improvement on the Sync 200 that we would assume it replaces??....
    You can disagree or dislike but that is how Miller has always done it in the past.IOC may be able to buy from more than one region from Miller and that would account for their being able to offer it nation wide before some other dealers.
    Last edited by big mike; 07-25-2013, 02:20 PM. Reason: clarify

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  • Broccoli1
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    Originally posted by Helios View Post
    It also sounds like a good way to p¡ss away the good name of the Syncrowave BRAND.

    Personally, as a hobbyist/weekend warrior, I wouldn't own an inverter.

    That's why I chose a Syncrowave 250.

    I suspect there are a lot of other welder purchasers in the same boat.

    Up until now, if someone mentioned a "Syncrowave," everyone knew they referred to a transformer-based machine. Not anymore.

    Now, for the first time, when we talk about Syncrowaves, we'll have to talk about whether they're transformer machines (all except the 210) or inverter machines (the 210).

    How's THAT for branding, folks? I bet it took an MBA to come up with that!

    What's next? The Miller "Pinto" ... or maybe the Miller "Edsel"? Or how 'bout "The New Miller" ... like "The New Coke"?
    Interesting marketing trivia with the "New Coke"- when they launched it it was a disaster as everyone pretty much knows but when they switched back and came out with Coke Classic they took back more market share than they had with the original Coke. Accidental genius marketing

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  • H80N
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    Do wonder what doors might be opening up in the low amperage TIG automation arena with "Memory Card" and firmware upgradability... a USB pipe is a tiny step more.... that is if it does not Already have a built in "Diagnostic Port"....

    There are lot's of places where a small affordable programmable supply could be used...

    Small scale CNC is now quite common.. in areas like Plasma Tables and milling machines...

    no reason that welding could not be incorporated into the mix...
    Last edited by H80N; 07-25-2013, 12:34 PM.

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  • H80N
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    Originally posted by USMCPOP View Post
    The Sync 210 manual has been added to the manual section.

    http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o261726a_mil.pdf
    Thanks Pop...

    That Operators Manual clears up a lot....

    Maybe they will develop a small water cooler to tuck into the side compartment....

    a water cooled torch would broaden its market and make it a neat little all in one lite industrial TIG...

    A lot of people don't need the features and complexity of a Dynasty 200DX but do need a bit more than a Diversion 180..

    this should fit right in...

    Could also see it equipped with a water cooled Micro TIG torch like a WP-125

    http://www.arc-zone.com/index.php?ma...cPath=13_18_39

    or WP-24W

    http://www.weldcraft.com/products/wp-series/wp-24w/

    would fit right in with jewlers, injection mold repair and university labs... and a bunch more places...

    It's simple setup could open up new applications for less sophisticated operators...
    Last edited by H80N; 07-25-2013, 12:36 PM.

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  • Gingerboy
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    Does it come with a internal water cooler? Or will it have to be a add on?

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  • USMCPOP
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    The duty cycle seems low, though that may be conservative. On stick, it's 150A @ 20%. My TA 161STL is rated 160A @ 30%.

    And a max OCV of 47 Volts?

    The Sync 210 manual has been added to the manual section.

    http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o261726a_mil.pdf
    Last edited by USMCPOP; 07-25-2013, 08:00 AM.

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  • Helios
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    Originally posted by Helios View Post
    Sounds like a good way to "muddy the waters" regarding the distinction between transformer-based versus inverter-based machines.
    It also sounds like a good way to p¡ss away the good name of the Syncrowave BRAND.

    Personally, as a hobbyist/weekend warrior, I wouldn't own an inverter.

    That's why I chose a Syncrowave 250.

    I suspect there are a lot of other welder purchasers in the same boat.

    Up until now, if someone mentioned a "Syncrowave," everyone knew they referred to a transformer-based machine. Not anymore.

    Now, for the first time, when we talk about Syncrowaves, we'll have to talk about whether they're transformer machines (all except the 210) or inverter machines (the 210).

    How's THAT for branding, folks? I bet it took an MBA to come up with that!

    What's next? The Miller "Pinto" ... or maybe the Miller "Edsel"? Or how 'bout "The New Miller" ... like "The New Coke"?
    Last edited by Helios; 07-25-2013, 05:01 AM.

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  • shovelon
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    Originally posted by H80N View Post
    Sounds interesting... when are we going to get details??

    Upgradeable and Expandable
    Front panel memory card data port provides the ability to easily upgrade software and expand product features


    And the Owners/operators Manuals.. released soon????
    So they took the Dynasty280, detuned it, called it a Syncro, and shoved it into a Millermatic cabinet. I like it.

    http://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/spec_sheets/AD4-6.pdf

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  • H80N
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    Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    Knock off of their own equipment

    They already have the technology from their Dynasty and Diversion series stuff.


    Just put it in the 212 or 252 case and ta da !
    And all this time I was under the misaprehension that a "Knockoff"

    was a copy of somebody elses work...

    Who-Da_Thunkit...

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  • Broccoli1
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    Originally posted by H80N View Post
    Knock off of what???...

    Sure would not think so....
    Knock off of their own equipment

    They already have the technology from their Dynasty and Diversion series stuff.


    Just put it in the 212 or 252 case and ta da !

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  • H80N
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    Originally posted by makowicki View Post
    Looking at pictures and some of the specs almost seems to be a knock off with blue paint. I will have to stop LWS and see what they know.
    Knock off of what???...

    Sure would not think so....
    Last edited by H80N; 07-24-2013, 06:27 PM.

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  • makowicki
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    looks a bit odd to me

    Looking at pictures and some of the specs almost seems to be a knock off with blue paint. I will have to stop LWS and see what they know.

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  • H80N
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    Originally posted by Miller Welders View Post
    The Syncrowave 210 is now in full release. The web page is live on MillerWelds.com or use this direct link to view more details www.millerwelds.com/Syncrowave210 .

    We truly appreciate your interest in the new Syncrowave 210.
    Sounds interesting... when are we going to get details??

    Upgradeable and Expandable
    Front panel memory card data port provides the ability to easily upgrade software and expand product features


    And the Owners/operators Manuals.. released soon????

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