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  • mjfrank
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    Thanks all, appreciate the input.

    No problem on the flames either, I've grown a thick-skin from the Jeep forums that I frequent. I know some people can be a little passionate about things, so I'm content to sit back and try to filter out the useful info.

    Bluepower, thanks for your first post too, good info there.

    It's all good, now its time to go out and build sometbing.

    Later.

    Mike

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  • HAWK
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    I think we are all with Cope:

    Welcome to the forum. Keep posting. We are all willing to share our experiences good and bad. I wish I had this kind if help when I started. AS FOR THE WAR-YOU DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG. This "bluepower" showed out of nowhere and seems to be a want to be welder. It is evident fron his posts that he does not know AC from DC but wants us to believe otherwise.

    Enjoy the forum!

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  • cope
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    Originally posted by mjfrank
    Wooo, man I'm off to a great start in this forum, first post and I started a flame war!

    Anyway, I did get some good info, so thanks for the help.

    I would definately not attempt the main wiring by myself, and will be contracting a licensed electrician to do most of the work. HAWK, it sounds like you used a similar electrical setup as I have, so hopefully it will work for me too.

    Sorry if the description of my service was a little vague, to clarify, I have a 200amp main service panel in my home, off of that, the builder ran a 100amp sub-panel that most of my house wiring is connected to. I am planning to have an electrician run a second sub-panel from the main panel to my garage, and hook all the garage wiring to that. Based on your recommended breaker size, I'll see if they can make the second panel 100amp too. (again, I have no clue of electrical code.)

    In addition, I doubt I will run the 250 at it's rated current very much, if ever. I think the rated current is 200 amps, and most of the stuff I do is only 1/4" and 3/8" mild steel. So hopefully that will minimize the dimming-lights effect. (that must play **** with your computer. )

    So anyways, thanks for help, I'll try not to stir it up too much around here.
    You didn't start anything, glad to have you around.

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  • PISTOL8
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    lack of intell.

    well bluepower you have managed to upset a very good group of welders and MEN and as for your 37 years i find people like you tend to have screwed up most or all of that time. spend your time listening and less time critizing and your attitude might improve. enough said you made my ignore list. have a good day. PISTOL8

    AS THIS THREAD STARTED I RUN MY 210-180-175-HYPERTHERM380 ALL OFF 2 50 AMP BREAKERS AND SOMETIMES AT THE SAME TIME IT JUSTS DEPENDS ON HOW MANY OTHER THINGS RUN ON YOUR 200 AMP HOUSE FEED. HOW OLD THE WIRING IS ALSO PLAYS A ROLE.

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  • HAWK
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    mjfrank,

    Don't worry about the light dimming. If your electrician is able to run a separate 100 amp service off the main 200 amp incoming line, you should be just fine. It never bother the computers, but I occasionally had to reboot my wife. If you are married, then you know better. Any don't worry about the war. This is the first and hopefully last time such rude and unkind comments will be displayed here on this forum. I have learned a lot and have a lot to learn as always will be the case. Good luck with your wiring and newly acquired, hopefully, machine!

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  • mjfrank
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    Wooo, man I'm off to a great start in this forum, first post and I started a flame war!

    Anyway, I did get some good info, so thanks for the help.

    I would definately not attempt the main wiring by myself, and will be contracting a licensed electrician to do most of the work. HAWK, it sounds like you used a similar electrical setup as I have, so hopefully it will work for me too.

    Sorry if the description of my service was a little vague, to clarify, I have a 200amp main service panel in my home, off of that, the builder ran a 100amp sub-panel that most of my house wiring is connected to. I am planning to have an electrician run a second sub-panel from the main panel to my garage, and hook all the garage wiring to that. Based on your recommended breaker size, I'll see if they can make the second panel 100amp too. (again, I have no clue of electrical code.)

    In addition, I doubt I will run the 250 at it's rated current very much, if ever. I think the rated current is 200 amps, and most of the stuff I do is only 1/4" and 3/8" mild steel. So hopefully that will minimize the dimming-lights effect. (that must play **** with your computer. )

    So anyways, thanks for help, I'll try not to stir it up too much around here.

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  • cope
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    Originally posted by bluepower
    Cope,why don't back off.I never owned a thunderbolt in my life.Why would real adults that are welders hang around forums like this?I come around to a answer a few desperate questions for people.You seem like you spend more time on the forums than what you do weld.I got it in my head you are just a kid reading a few magazines and coming back to the computer to type what you saw.Just my opinion but you can go ahead and say different.How dare you question my ability and my knowledge.
    If you've never owned a Thunderbolt in your life, why did you post that question on this forum under the name bluepower and at Hobart under the name superarc? Exact wording in both posts. I'm not questioning your knowledge and or ability, although I have my suspicions, but it seems strange that you would question anyone else's ability when you had to post such a question yourself.

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    Cope,why don't back off.I never owned a thunderbolt in my life.Why would real adults that are welders hang around forums like this?I come around to a answer a few desperate questions for people.You seem like you spend more time on the forums than what you do weld.I got it in my head you are just a kid reading a few magazines and coming back to the computer to type what you saw.Just my opinion but you can go ahead and say different.How dare you question my ability and my knowledge.

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  • cope
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    Originally posted by bluepower
    oh so now you are an electrician?.I been in the welding business for 37 years this year and I do all my wiring for my electric welders.I even repair them and my engine drive welders i do all the work on the engines and the welding components myself.but thanks for your inquiry.Also thank you for your opinionated answer!
    Thirty seven years experience, and you had to ask for help with this problem:

    I want to replace the cables to a number 2 cable for both ground and holder..I took apart the welder in the shop and I see how easy it is to take off the old cable with the little lugs.The problem is my lugs are too big for the new cable to be replaced inside with #2's so I am just using the 4 it came with and cable connectors from lenco to add number 2 extensions.I just can't find a lug that will fit the #2 cable and that will also fit the screw inside of the welder.Any clues?

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    weldteacher....I could teach you a few things....1.Don't even bother 2.How to spell

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  • weldteacher
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    A message to Bluepower.
    CALM DOWN!
    Since you're a junior member here you do not need to get tosed out on your ear.

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    Thank you and you have a miserable one!

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  • HAWK
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    bluepower,

    I am not a licensed electrician, but have worked with one for many years. I respect your 37 years of welding experience and your abilites to wire and repair both electric and engine driven welders. Have a nice day.

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    oh so now you are an electrician?.I been in the welding business for 37 years this year and I do all my wiring for my electric welders.I even repair them and my engine drive welders i do all the work on the engines and the welding components myself.but thanks for your inquiry.Also thank you for your opinionated answer!

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  • HAWK
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    bluepower,

    I sincerely apologize for reiterating your initial comment about consulting an electrician. I am not trying to steal you "thunder". All I want him to understand is that depending on his residential main service configuration that he may need a separate service due to the rather hefty demand placed on the system during the arc start. Also by not remarking about consulting an licensed electrician, one may open the door for a legal suit on the part of the poster no matter how good his/her intentions may be. Basically I am covering my financial well being as well as trying to help mjfrank solve his problems.

    As for what you did not understand I'll try to help. By placing the 50 amp breaker in the number 1 position in the main service panel the electrical current surge on initial arc start is drawn directly against the incoming supply from the local utility. If the 50 amp breaker is placed toward the end of the other breakers in the service panel, then that initial current surge in effect passes through all these previous breakers possibly causing the dimming effect I described earlier.

    It sounds like you have an excellent setup to power your shop equipment. As for reading the catalog and letting him know what type electrical service is needed is great. However, real life circumstances sometimes requires additional wiring as was my case. After 20 combined years in the welding and electrical business, I feel like this advice is correct to the best of my knowledge and experience. If I have led anyone astray here, please feel free to correct me. I am not oppossed to constructive criticism. It seems to me this open forum is a website to share experiences and opinions to help beginners and professionals alike.
    Please do not take offense to my post. None is, was, or ever shall be intentional.

    Thank you for your valued opinion and if I can ever help you with anything now or in the future please let me know.

    Thanks again for you concern.

    HAWK

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