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  • Texas113
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    If you go with the 252 and purchase the spool gun let us know what you think. That is one investment that I would like to make. I have had a 251 for years and have loved it. For the last few months I have been using the 252 and absolutely love it. But I also weld for long periods if time on 1/2" plate and heavy struc. steel. Still have not perfected my spot and stitch settings but they are sure handy when set right. Good luck with your purchase and get back to us with the outcome.

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  • ericher69
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    BD1;

    No Offence taken; I was only explaining my situation and experience.

    I truly do want the 252 as I believe it should be my last MIG purchase(I am 35 and don't intend getting into any production type work)

    Hate to blow $1500 on a smaller machine and later want/need to upgrade.

    I know the 211 is a great machine but it does have its place and limits.

    I can pick up a used 30A spool gun for the 252 for $700 Canadian funds which would save me about $500 from new so I will see what I can work out in the next week

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  • BD1
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    ''I'm just sayin that I've seen the little white duty cycle warning light come on on my machine while running many beads practicing with my 211.''

    Is the fan blocked or machine located with little airflow ?? Is it on a cart that has a solid back restricting airflow ? What material thickness ?

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  • stickermigtigger
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    Originally posted by ericher69 View Post
    Stickermigtigger;

    I have been welding for over 20 years.

    I do not consider myself a beginner nor a pro but somewhere in between.

    I have never hit the duty cycle on my Lincoln SP170-T even when fabricating a utility trailer with 90+ degree temps.
    I'm just sayin that I've seen the little white duty cycle warning light come on on my machine while running many beads practicing with my 211. Wasn't trying to make any comments about you or your experience. Your much more advanced than I am. I don't even know what a SP170-T is. :-)

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  • SpyVSpy
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    You aren't really going to be running into duty cycle issues unless you are welding heavier plate and near the limits of the machine. Anything 60% or higher is good since that equals 6 mins for every 10 mins. In Canada welding is a 3 yr program to get to Journeyman and I'm on my second yr. I was going to get a 212 for my home shop but have decided on a XMT350 MPa MigRunner setup. I would buy the best you can afford but no need to go crazy if it isn't going to be making money for you. Both the 212 and 252 are good machines. There isn't a huge difference in price so if you can get the 252 then no reason not to. Personal preference but I like having the digital controls too.

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  • ericher69
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    Stickermigtigger;

    I have been welding for over 20 years.

    I do not consider myself a beginner nor a pro but somewhere in between.

    I have never hit the duty cycle on my Lincoln SP170-T even when fabricating a utility trailer with 90+ degree temps.

    The reason I want the bigger mig is to

    1. Replace the 2 welders (small mig and AC/DC stick)
    2. Do aluminum
    3. Be my last mig welder purchase

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  • stickermigtigger
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    I still class myself a beginner but I find the biggest downside to the 211 is the duty cycle. That's probably more a problem for a beginner than a shop owner. I say this because I spend a lot of time practicing which is a lot of bead, bead, bead, bead, repetition. When I build something with a lot of small joints it isn't a problem. I've been thinking a beginner would be better off buying a good used machine with a high duty cycle and move to something with a 211 duty cycle later when the practice sessions aren't as common.

    Don't get me wrong about the 211 though. I love the machine.

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  • ericher69
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    There was question in an earlier post of the 211 SM100 not doing well with 5356 wire

    Found this video ; 1130 on with above wire seems to work better instead of 4043

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  • BD1
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    This maybe helpful too; from WELDING WEB

    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...welders+supply

    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...welders+supply

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  • ericher69
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    Yeah thanks was looking at them till I found the Condor supply price of $2180 free shipping

    For $15 bucks though if you vouch for weldersupply I guess I will go with them

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  • BD1
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    Originally posted by ericher69 View Post
    Looking more and more like the 211...

    Price on 252 just went up by $50 on most sites and also noticed that it is not part of the extended build with Blue Promo!

    Anybody ever hear of or deal with these guys??

    Cheapest price on a 252 now http://www.condoweldingdepot.com/mil...ic-252-907321/

    Thanks
    Here's my local supplier in Wisconsin. FREE SHIPPING $ 2195.00 on 252
    211 is $1079.00
    http://www.weldersupply.com/productd...&ID=36&pID=275

    http://www.weldersupply.com/productd...&ID=36&pID=113

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  • ericher69
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    Looking more and more like the 211...

    Price on 252 just went up by $50 on most sites and also noticed that it is not part of the extended build with Blue Promo!

    Anybody ever hear of or deal with these guys??

    Cheapest price on a 252 now http://www.condoweldingdepot.com/mil...ic-252-907321/

    Thanks
    Last edited by ericher69; 06-14-2013, 07:17 PM.

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  • Texas113
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    Don't forget the 252 is set up for push/pull when you add a aluminum gun. We had one stolen and just got two new ones. We usually run .045 solid or E71T at high amperage. They are great units but have to wait for the gun to come in for AL. For what the cost offset is I can understand where you are at but they will weld anything you would ever personally build.

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  • ericher69
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    What is a good price for a used 252 with Stock Mig gun and a 90 day warranty?

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  • Precision
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    millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    My deciding factor was the warranty. I didn't want the headache of possibly dealing with a machine with bad voodoo so I just got the new one. Plus the rebate just got extended, that puts the 211 under $1000. Can't beat that, even with a switch granny makes you grab off the willow tree.

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