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  • weldonwelding
    started a topic why even build a 20% duty cycle machine?!

    why even build a 20% duty cycle machine?!

    I used a snap on 110v mig welder the other day and i gotta say it blew my millermatic 180 out of the water. I used to think snap on just picked the cheapest welder they could find and slap their name on it... but thats not the case at all. It had a 100% duty cycle at max amperage and welded really nice for a 110v welder. Plus it was pretty cool that the feeder was detachable.

  • shovelon
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    Originally posted by Sberry View Post
    I wonder how they get more out of a 20A circuit than other machines do?
    I thinking the mother load of PFC.

    Betcha the meter goes wild right when it's switched on til the time it's switched off.
    Kind of like a big refrigerator with the door left open.

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  • BD1
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    I think HARBOR FREIGHT makes the snap on, it must be good .

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  • FusionKing
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    Originally posted by Sberry View Post
    I wonder how they get more out of a 20A circuit than other machines do?
    Look at the weight!!
    sucker weighs almost 200 lbs!
    It's not apples to apples here. Different animal altogether.

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  • crawler
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    Originally posted by Sberry View Post
    I wonder how they get more out of a 20A circuit than other machines do?
    They don't. This snap on welder uses 30A 120v circuit.

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  • Sberry
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    I wonder how they get more out of a 20A circuit than other machines do?

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  • FusionKing
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    I think maybe it was called the sidekick
    Low duty cycle and power tho. Pretty much junk IMO.

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  • FusionKing
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    If I had the chance to get one cheap, it would be something I might recommend to a friend. I have a buddy who swears by his YA212 and he has had it for years.
    Miller made a body shop 120v machine called a cricket or something like that. I remember the LWS taking a couple in on trade a couple of years ago. Not near that fancy tho.

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  • weldonwelding
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    Originally posted by FusionKing:296617
    The point is that machine is not really very mobile. It is heavy. Kinda like they took a bigger machine and made the knob only turn up halfway. The tig feature is nice. But you could get a Lincoln 350 for a bit more money and lots more features.
    WAY too much money for what you get.
    Sounds like somebody needs to have their MM180 looked at IMO.
    Getting hot at halfway isn't normal.
    I would have almost no use whatsoever for this machine. I could see a body shop falling in love with it. I still have loads of overpriced Snap-On equipment from my auto repair days. I even have a Snap-On Truck owner client.To each his own. I believe this thread is meant to stir the pot anyways, so good job on that point!
    That definetly makes sense, it has the features that a bigger welder would have too. Really i didnt start this thread with the intention of it going the way it did but it seems alot of threads do that here. You get what im saying. For a long time i thought snap on had junk welders, i used my friends the other night for about 20 minutes straight with it turned all the way up. I was expecting it to overheat or trip the breaker but to my surprise it didnt, it also welded really smooth for a 110v. Im not gona go out and buy one myself but if i found a used one for a decent price i wouldnt pass it up. My friend bought his like new for 1500 bucks.

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  • FusionKing
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    The point is that machine is not really very mobile. It is heavy. Kinda like they took a bigger machine and made the knob only turn up halfway. The tig feature is nice. But you could get a Lincoln 350 for a bit more money and lots more features.
    WAY too much money for what you get.
    Sounds like somebody needs to have their MM180 looked at IMO.
    Getting hot at halfway isn't normal.
    I would have almost no use whatsoever for this machine. I could see a body shop falling in love with it. I still have loads of overpriced Snap-On equipment from my auto repair days. I even have a Snap-On Truck owner client.To each his own. I believe this thread is meant to stir the pot anyways, so good job on that point!

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  • armor
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    duty cycle

    Theirs a lot of times I wish my mm135 had a longer duty cycle. So I could leave my main unit set up with .045 instead of having to switch it out for sheet metal repairs.

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  • weldonwelding
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    Originally posted by crawler:296607
    Originally posted by big mike View Post
    Why produce a 20% duty cycle machine?.......price point.
    Also, don't forget portability. Duty cycle of a welder is also determined by the cooling capacity of the welder. Generally, smaller compact sized welders will have less duty cycle and less weight than something with a better duty cycle.

    Just how portable is the snap on welder compared to the smaller size units? Also, who would be willing to pay the $2700 price for a 140amp snap on welder?
    Well.... right out of the box you can reach 25' from the machine, from the receptacle you can reach 45'. Tell me a portable miller you can do that with? None. So when u set the miller up to reach inside of a 6 wheel dump body ( typically 1/8-3/16" ) and without putting the machine in the body with you, you will have well over the 2700 for the snap on. I currently own 5 millers, 2 hobarts, 1 Marquette, 2 lincolns and a thermal dynamics... i used the snap on and was impressed with its performance. If you dont like it because you READ a couple bad reviews i really dont give a sh@^. Everyone is entitled to a opinion.

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  • crawler
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    Originally posted by big mike View Post
    Why produce a 20% duty cycle machine?.......price point.
    Also, don't forget portability. Duty cycle of a welder is also determined by the cooling capacity of the welder. Generally, smaller compact sized welders will have less duty cycle and less weight than something with a better duty cycle.

    Just how portable is the snap on welder compared to the smaller size units? Also, who would be willing to pay the $2700 price for a 140amp snap on welder?

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  • big mike
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    Why produce a 20% duty cycle machine?.......price point.

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  • monte55
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    I can't imagine a body shop that wouldn't have 240vac for a welder. That would mean they could only use 120vac air compressors for all the air tools they may use. Not much of a body shop in my opinion not to mention an industrial enviroment needing 100% duty cycle and only 120vac to the building.

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