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    hi new poster here

    with a question about attaching a gas lens to my #17 torch

    yes i searched

    i have been lurking for some time and found this forum really helpful

    history--
    I did a course at the Cleveland school of welding back in the 1970,s. and over the years have done some stick, about 5 years ago i got a hobart tig mate and have done some stick ss, mild, and have been doing some alu projects. im using Click image for larger version

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    im upgrading to a gas lens 45v26 3/32 and a#7 GL nozzle, and a #54n01 insulator. looking for greater tung extension and better gas coverage. am i right in assuming that the #54N01 insulator is added between the existing one on the torch.? i expected to replace the existing insulator with the #54N01 for the gas lens.
    am i missing something or is this the correct configuration, thanks
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  • #2
    Pull the original white insulator off the torch.
    Nothing welded, Nothing gained

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    • #3
      Originally posted by shovelon View Post
      Pull the original white insulator off the torch.
      thanks for the reply i tride it both ways and it dont seam right

      take a look

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      the original insulator seemed to fit over the torch body. the new one jest sandwiches in not much of a seal.

      torch - original insulator - new insulator. did i get the right cup gasket #54N01
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      thanks
      sam

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      • #4
        Mixup 18-7 vs 5401 ??? maybe??

        From the Blue handle... I am guessing this is a Miller Diamondback torch not a standard Weldcraft.... and there may be some variation from standard on the consumables like the shape of the teflon gaskets.... here is the Diamondback lit... it does show it as a 54n01... on the parts breakdown..but....... this may take a call to Miller TIG support or a visit to your LWS.... to clarify interchangeability... sometimes manufacturers "improve" a product without thought to compatability..
        BUT.... is it possible that you somehow got an 18-7 insulator in the place of the 54n01??? 18-7 fits between the torch body and the back cap.... or that you really want a 54n63 long gas lens gasket???

        http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o1600e_mil.pdf
        Last edited by H80N; 11-25-2011, 01:09 PM.
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        • #5
          might be a mixup

          yes its a is diamondback

          the packaging stamped #54N01 but its a wellcraft that might be it. nothing like product standardization.

          im thinking about trying it stacked seems to fit snug like that but im concerned that i will trash the lens if i get oxy contamination.

          give it a shot?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by samhop View Post
            might be a mixup

            yes its a is diamondback

            the packaging stamped #54N01 but its a wellcraft that might be it. nothing like product standardization.

            im thinking about trying it stacked seems to fit snug like that but im concerned that i will trash the lens if i get oxy contamination.

            give it a shot?
            would not stack them but would check and see how a Diamondback 54n63 long gas lens gasket fits like... a trip to your LWS with the torch might be in order.....for questions and a fitting...
            .

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            • #7
              ya thats probably the thing to do. next time i can get on the boat and get off island i will bring the torch over to the mainland and hit a welding supply store.

              thanks sam

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              • #8
                Island??
                .

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by H80N View Post
                  Island??
                  yup its a boat ride about 1/2 hour at 15 knots. thats why im trying to noodle it out over the interweb

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                  • #10
                    lived for a while in coastal NC and the outer banks.. lots of boat and ferry travel there... wherabouts are you??
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by samhop View Post
                      hi new poster here

                      with a question about attaching a gas lens to my #17 torch

                      yes i searched

                      i have been lurking for some time and found this forum really helpful

                      history--
                      I did a course at the Cleveland school of welding back in the 1970,s. and over the years have done some stick, about 5 years ago i got a hobart tig mate and have done some stick ss, mild, and have been doing some alu projects. im using [ATTACH=CONFIG]28283[/ATTACH]25% balanced argon helium, #17 miller torch 3/32 rare earth tungsten or 2% thoriated sharp #7 noz.

                      my question-------with pic

                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]28282[/ATTACH]
                      im upgrading to a gas lens 45v26 3/32 and a#7 GL nozzle, and a #54n01 insulator. looking for greater tung extension and better gas coverage. am i right in assuming that the #54N01 insulator is added between the existing one on the torch.? i expected to replace the existing insulator with the #54N01 for the gas lens.
                      am i missing something or is this the correct configuration, thanks
                      I have a few of those on the shelf, they are meant to be used together (both insulators) I made my own out of tefflon stock mainly because I didnt like the looks of them, they worked OK though.

                      I can post a picture if you like.
                      mike sr

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by popspipes View Post
                        I have a few of those on the shelf, they are meant to be used together (both insulators) I made my own out of tefflon stock mainly because I didnt like the looks of them, they worked OK though.

                        I can post a picture if you like.
                        I think you are right. After a second look it makes sense. I use a stubby gas lenses on my Wp17 which requires the removal of the original insulator. He has the standard gas lense.
                        Nothing welded, Nothing gained

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                        Linde UCC305 (sold 2011)
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                        SiberHegner CNC Mill
                        2 ea. Bridgeport
                        LeBlond 15" Lathe
                        Haberle 18" Cold Saw
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                        • #13
                          gas lens insulators

                          This is a pic of a wp17 with the homemade insulator and pics of the insulator itself and a standard one.
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                          mike sr

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                          • #14
                            thanks (popspipes)
                            thats what got me it did not look right stacked but i will give it a shot with both.
                            did you make that gasket out of regular Teflon round stock? i should chuck some up and give it a slow tern.

                            H80N
                            jest another wormy Western Atlantic Islander
                            Last edited by samhop; 11-26-2011, 01:05 PM.

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                            • #15
                              In our shop they are all staked like that... Seems to work just fine. does look goofy though.
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