Please help anyone who knows what e6010 is suppose to look like

[Helios]

...we had a dicussion on the "stack of dimes" look with mig welds and how some folks thought it created stress risers in the weld.

You mean it doesn't?

[nocheepgas]

What's 6010 supposed to look like?

Well, I've read every post so far, and I don't think anybody has hit the proverbial nail on the head. 6010, just like any other rod you run is supposed to look "Neat and workman like" so that you can show anybody that looks at your weld that you know what the heck you are doing!
It doesn't matter if you whip, pause, stagger or drag. Your beads should show consistent quality workmanship with minimal or no undercutting, consistent bead deposition, and be free of arc burns and other defects.

[kevin]

hawk, so sorry for your medical problems, and your trouble with the ladies, are we brothers that never met, im on my third round of marriage, almost crooked this past october with heart issues, and i wont be able to mess around with the 5p today, i gotta get stuff together for mondays appt at the surgeon,s, the older we get, the more complicated life becomes, stay focused my friend, its better than the alternative

[Rig Hand]

I usually jump at the chance to give tim sh!t for sucking, but this time, I think his old lady laid down a fairly nice bead of weld for him to post as his own. Nice job righand.

If my old lady welded it there would just be a couple arc marks and a stuck rod. She jumps and screams every time the arc starts LOL.

What are you up to?

[HAWK]

hey hawk, i sure would like to see a bead that you are explaining, 7018 looks like it was put in by a putty knife, the other rods always have that hot, dirty look to them, this topic is subject to each ones optical opinion, tomorrow i will get in the shop and play with it for a while, ive got a 50# can of 5/32 6010, that should be enough for experimenting

Kevin,

I guess you are referring to a drag bead or maybe a circular bead with a 6010. I had some 1/8" roots on 1/2" fillets posted here about 4 years ago. I also had some stepped beads. I cannot find those posts and neither can "Ask Andy". They, among others seem to have been lost on a forum update merger.

As I mentioned a few posts ago, on this thread, I'm having repercussions from a near fatal accident in 2001. I was partially paralyzed in the bed for several months back then and don't want to be there again. Just got done with all the scans again: MRI's and such.

I have a new Doc and she is really great! Easy on the eyes too! I also lost all my equipment, including a BB AIr Pak, in a nasty divorce. Finding a welder and a few minutes to run these is not a problem. However, right at this moment, I physically cannot do it. I gotta do what the doctors say and behave myself for now. Believe me it sucks!!!

Good luck with your #50 of 5/32 play day.

HAWK

[kevin]

hey hawk, i sure would like to see a bead that you are explaining, 7018 looks like it was put in by a putty knife, the other rods always have that hot, dirty look to them, this topic is subject to each ones optical opinion, tomorrow i will get in the shop and play with it for a while, ive got a 50# can of 5/32 6010, that should be enough for experimenting

[HAWK]

I usually jump at the chance to give tim sh!t for sucking, but this time, I think his old lady laid down a fairly nice bead of weld for him to post as his own. Nice job righand.

I don't know either of you guys, but that's funny!

HAWK

[sae350]

I usually jump at the chance to give tim sh!t for sucking, but this time, I think his old lady laid down a fairly nice bead of weld for him to post as his own. Nice job righand.

[Sberry]

We don't know what the instructor said for sure, lots of those guys have a lot of people to manage, I have made statements that were not technically correct to the letter and a lot depends on who one might be talking to. (example,,, I have said here that 7018 was a DC rod, a pro would know there are exceptions but a guy learning and asking on this forum I tell him to set it on DC+, they are already confused enough) I Had one that really wasn't much of a welder but learned a lot from him anyway, he knew a lot about the work world and where to head people after a course, right place for the right guys.
Also agree that pics can make a good weld look not so good.

[HAWK]

Rig Hand,

Inconsistent yea. Pinhole I can't see. As I said earlier I've run less aesthetic stepped roots with 6010's and still slid past the films and inspector's wrath. Yea man, some slide by and some are pristine. Either way way most all of 'em fly. Good job Man!

Obviously his instructor does not "smoke" for a living and I am beginning to wonder how he got his credentials.

I'd personally kill for the chance to run a few roots and post a few pictures myself. However, I am currently having repercussions from a near fatal accident a decade ago. The doctors have said if I don't behave myself I could be in a wheel chair real soon. I got the "itch", but it will be a bit before I can scratch.

Again, good job Rig Hand. I'd find somebody else to be teaching me if I were countryboy. Again my .02

HAWK

[Rig Hand]

If I have wagon tracks on a 1 pass horz. fillet. I'm going to hang it up right now.

I would of called inconsistency first, Then I would have called the pin hole that was in one of the ripples (might not be able to see it in the picture). Last, I'm not sure if it's there or not but, I imagine you could find some undercut somewhere along the toes.

I would be interested to see your instructors 6010 whip fillet weld. Especially, with a digital camera, they seem to make a decent weld look like poop. Not saying that's what happen in my case, just stating that there is a lot of welds that I think look sweet and after I take a picture, I delete it LOL. Except for Sonora his seem to turn out good even on camera Profession shots maybe??? LOL

[MR.57]

showed my professor this and he said there are wagon tracks? is he just way to picky ? thanks so much for posting the pic thpough?

"Wagon tracks" are a defect that will really only show up on radiographic inspection, not a visual. It refers to small slag inclusions that usually run along the toes of the root bead (usually on pipe) and will generally be covered by several passes of weld. It's an interior weld defect, not a surface defect. They show up as two dark parallel spotty lines on X-ray film, hence the nickname "wagon tracks". Undercut and wagon tracks are not the same thing, and the terms are not interchangeable. (edit: Not that it matters, because there's no visible undercut in rig hand's pic either)

If your instructor can really see things in X-ray vision, tell him he's in the wrong business! I think in this case he just has his terms messed up.

[Sberry]

Plate clamped to bench, standing up, bent over reaching under to do overhead, open with no bevel on 1/4.

[HAWK]

i dont see how any one can criticize the looks of a 10 0r 11 bead, no matter how hard we try, the results are cosmetically awful compared to the other more pleasing rods that we use. wagon tracks, i dont see it, i see a normal looking bead with that rod, not so pretty but thats how they look when done correctly

Kevin,

That rod can be run to look **** near like a 7018 with a little lateral wrist action accompanying an otherwise smooth drag as already stated by JT and Rig Hand. Thanks for looking because I can't see any wagon tracks either. Yes, it's a clean example of a a xx10 root pass fillet weld. It looks normal for a "stepped" root pass and most roots are "stepped".

When I had to break in a new guy in the past I'd teach stepping the rod, then circular motion, then transition to pretty much a smooth drag. They get the hang of it in a few weeks. Now the 6G test requires quite a bit more hands on time.

I think the teacher has optical rectalitis-has his head up his assz!

Again my .02,

HAWK

[kevin]

i dont see how any one can criticize the looks of a 10 0r 11 bead, no matter how hard we try, the results are cosmetically awful compared to the other more pleasing rods that we use. wagon tracks, i dont see it, i see a normal looking bead with that rod, not so pretty but thats how they look when done correctly