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    Hi,
    I have recently purchased a new 252 and want add a push pull gun setup for alum . Do I have to purchase an xr feeder or is there another way? Also what about cobra's compared to miller xr's?

    Thanks

    Newbie
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    Lincoln SQ Wave Tig-355
    Lincoln Tig 300-300 (old reliable)
    Lincoln 140 Mig
    Themal Dynamics PAK Master 50 (Plasma)

  • #2
    The Millermatic 252, 350 and 350P are direct-connect for use with Miller push-pull guns. No need to buy a feeder or other controller. The older Millermatic 251 needed a seperate optional controller to run the push-pull guns. I don't know if Miller still sells the controller or not. Anyhow, you don't need it with your 252.

    Miller now sells the AlumaPro gooseneck push-pull gun, which is of their own design/manufacture and replaces the Python and XR Edge gooseneck guns they used to use. It can be used with the 252/350/350P machines if you order it with the Power Pin connector setup. It is also used with the XR feeders, provided the feeder has a gas valve installed in it.

    The Python is still made by MK Products in California, www.mkproducts.com, as well as the XR-A Edge, which is called the CobraMAX by MK. I have an MK model Python here from 2000 that came with my Cobramatic feeder. Miller called their version of the Python the XR-A Python. Both Miller guns were made by MK, previous to the AlumaPro, which is not an MK product.

    The Miller style Python is different in the connections to the machine than the MK and Lincoln style Python (Lincoln still uses the Python, called the Python Plus). The MK and Lincoln versions of the Python and XR-Edge/CobraMAX can be adapted to use with a Miller machine, but the cost is not cheap. The Miller Power Pin connector setup runs a good $300+, plus a new wire conduit at about $100 and a new 10-pin control connector for another $40.

    You can use an XR pistol grip style push pull gun on the 252 as well, as long as it has the Power Pin connector setup. You can also use a Spoolmatic gun and replace the spool holder with a wire conduit, which makes it the same gun as the XR and use that for push-pull with the 252. I have an XR15A gun that came with my XR feeder that I converted with a spool cannister and new 10-pin plug to use as a spool gun with my 350P and XMT. It works just like a Spoolmatic 15A/30A spool gun. The conversion can go either way.

    Miller also sells a Power Pin connector adaptor setup and I froget if it converts powerpin guns to seperate connectors, or if it converts seperate connector guns to powerpin. Either way, it's rather expensive but alot easier than figuring out all the part numbers and adapting the gun yourself, which is what I did.
    Last edited by Desertrider33; 10-31-2009, 09:03 AM.
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    • #3
      I'm surprised the sales guy didn't pitch that to you when you bought it. It like one of the biggest selling points
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      • #4
        Thanks Desertrider33
        Miller 252
        Lincoln SQ Wave Tig-355
        Lincoln Tig 300-300 (old reliable)
        Lincoln 140 Mig
        Themal Dynamics PAK Master 50 (Plasma)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by snowpro79 View Post
          Hi,
          I have recently purchased a new 252 and want add a push pull gun setup for alum . Do I have to purchase an xr feeder or is there another way? Also what about cobra's compared to miller xr's?

          Thanks

          Newbie
          snowpro, Hello; What are the new 252's worth?
          There is one for sale locally for $1,500. !

          ............. Norm
          www.normsmobilewelding.blogspot.com

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          • #6
            Get it Norm!

            Originally posted by nfinch86 View Post
            snowpro, Hello; What are the new 252's worth?
            There is one for sale locally for $1,500. !

            ............. Norm
            How come it's not in your shop yet.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Frank Motoweld View Post
              How come it's not in your shop yet.
              Frank, 1,500 reasons $$$$ !! I guess that's a good price then ?

              ............. Norm
              www.normsmobilewelding.blogspot.com

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              • #8
                What is the exchange rate? I think it was around $1950.00 US. Would 5356
                .035 be a good size and alloy to weld 1/8- 3/8" 6061 Alum?

                Thanks
                Miller 252
                Lincoln SQ Wave Tig-355
                Lincoln Tig 300-300 (old reliable)
                Lincoln 140 Mig
                Themal Dynamics PAK Master 50 (Plasma)

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                • #9
                  The Dollar is almost at Par ! The U.S. Dollar is Sinking like a Rock, a Big One !!

                  ............ Norm
                  www.normsmobilewelding.blogspot.com

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                  • #10
                    HI norm you should get it they are a good mig welder . I have two and i have also have three of the dvi2 they are the one with the 240v and 115 v plug

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                    • #11
                      Norm I worked on a couple 252's (now granted i dont see near the amount of machines that cruizer does) but the only problems I ever saw with them was a bad gun (prolly from the machine being dragged around with it) and a bad relay for the fan on demand. They're one of my favorite machines to weld with

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                      • #12
                        I'll Dream On !!

                        Originally posted by 69FordTruck View Post
                        Norm I worked on a couple 252's (now granted i dont see near the amount of machines that cruizer does) but the only problems I ever saw with them was a bad gun (prolly from the machine being dragged around with it) and a bad relay for the fan on demand. They're one of my favorite machines to weld with
                        Guys, Cory & 69FordTruck; This looks brand New, Anybody no of any Financial
                        Backers around lately ?
                        I Wish I could afford $1,500. to put toward a Nice Shop Machine like that ! Oh Well, I'll dream on I guess !!

                        ................. Norm
                        www.normsmobilewelding.blogspot.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by snowpro79 View Post
                          Would 5356 .035 be a good size and alloy to weld 1/8- 3/8" 6061 Alum?
                          Use 4043.

                          .035 wire for 3/16" and thinner, with .035 or .039 tips.

                          3/64 (.047) wire for 3/16" and thicker, with 3/64 or .052 tips.
                          Millermatic350P/Python, MillermaticReach/Q300
                          Millermatic175
                          MillermaticPassport/Q300
                          HTP MIG200
                          PowCon 300SM, MK Cobramatic
                          ThermalArc 185ACDC, Dynaflux Tig'r, CK-20
                          DialarcHF, Radiator-1
                          Hypertherm PowerMax 380
                          Purox oxy/ace
                          Jackson EQC
                          -F350 CrewCab 4x4
                          -LoadNGo utility bed
                          -Bobcat 250NT
                          -PassportPlus/Q300
                          -XMT304/Optima/Spoolmatic15A
                          -Suitcase8RC/Q400
                          -Suitcase12RC/Q300
                          -Smith oxy/propane
                          -Jackson EQC

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